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Pigbearman

Doomhammer

0. Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 11:37:38 AM PDT

Ive been watching WoTLK news every day for the past month, ive seen changes in rogues, warriors, and every other class, yet when it comes to shamans, i see nerfs, and an extreme lack of communication between us and the devs on the WoTLK forums.
I constantly see Ghostcrawler posting on the forums asking for feedback, asking what we (not shamans, the classes he controls) want, ect.
But all we get from Koraa is one line answers, such as
"What, specifically do you have issue with? "
then, when people answer with TONS of constructive ideas (along with most of the posts on the forums itself) we get absolutly no answers, or answers to a post that dont really have anything to do with the subject at hand.
Also, patch 3.0 is almost here, yet many of our talents are broken, or just plain dont work well (IE the water shield charge consumed on crit).
I, and many other people, are starting to think you dont really mind leaving our class on the back burner, let it go to crap, its been like that since TBC was released, every patch came with a nerf to the shaman, even if it came with a buff as well. And now during the beta, the "Unintentional" nerf to TS, windfury being completely broken, spirit link not working, we have NO communication from devs.
The WoTLK forums for shamans havnt seen a blue post in 4 days, thats 4 days of constructive posts lost for reasons beyond me.
We NEED communicaton for our class to work out, and just like when we were supposed to get our class review that never happened, there is no communication between us and the dev team at blizzard, which needs to be fixed.

Though i very much expect to be flamed, and not have a blue even respond to my post, i still hope that the "Polish" were supposed to recieve can atleast fix some of the things that obviously dont work, but as much as i am optimistic, ive been playing for around 3 years now, and so far blizzard doesnt exactally have a stellar track record with shamans.

Rant ended.

Dont nerf me bro!!!!!!

Whylie

< Club House >

Kil'jaeden

1. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 11:43:15 AM PDT

If you want proof of the lack of effort being put into the class, just look at all the changes between the beta builds. Every class has around 5-10 changes each one whereas Shaman has one to two, if mentioned at all. No, that doesnt mean that "they think they got us right so far".

I mean, look at our beta talent trees, we have **#* moved around and like 2 new talents in each tree. All the other classes cant have anymore new talents because they cant fit them in the trees due to limited space.

"The stats don't show a lack of popularity for shaman, they just show a ridiculous popularity for other classes."
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Rizz

< The Dragonslayer >

Cenarion Circle

3. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 11:46:35 AM PDT

Elemental is turning out to be pretty damn fun. Although I miss the big air on the knockback for Thunder.

Rustbolts for Justice!

For a change...

Sylalia

< Pros With Fros >

Illidan

4. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 11:50:38 AM PDT

Priests are saying the same thing...

Deify

< Reborn Addiction >

Jubei'Thos

6. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:04:24 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

On live in my current gear at 70 I crit Ch unbuffed on my first target for around 6200.
On beta at level 80 in the same gear (and a couple upgrades) I crit my main target for around 5100.

Are the coefficients completely screwed?

maybe spellpower scales with level like other stats

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Tiernoc

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Spinebreaker

8. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:10:24 PM PDT

Beta != live.

Chill and relax. There is still plenty of time before they ship, and even after they DO ship they still will have a major content patch (most likely) that will be downloaded when we install the expansion.

No class is finished yet, and while I personally hope Shammies get quite a few more passes, there's no reason to get worked up about it.

Nethaera

Blizzard Poster

10. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:15:34 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Ive been watching WoTLK news every day for the past month, ive seen changes in rogues, warriors, and every other class, yet when it comes to shamans, i see nerfs, and an extreme lack of communication between us and the devs on the WoTLK forums.
I constantly see Ghostcrawler posting on the forums asking for feedback, asking what we (not shamans, the classes he controls) want, ect.
But all we get from Koraa is one line answers, such as
"What, specifically do you have issue with? "
then, when people answer with TONS of constructive ideas (along with most of the posts on the forums itself) we get absolutly no answers, or answers to a post that dont really have anything to do with the subject at hand.
Also, patch 3.0 is almost here, yet many of our talents are broken, or just plain dont work well (IE the water shield charge consumed on crit).
I, and many other people, are starting to think you dont really mind leaving our class on the back burner, let it go to crap, its been like that since TBC was released, every patch came with a nerf to the shaman, even if it came with a buff as well. And now during the beta, the "Unintentional" nerf to TS, windfury being completely broken, spirit link not working, we have NO communication from devs.
The WoTLK forums for shamans havnt seen a blue post in 4 days, thats 4 days of constructive posts lost for reasons beyond me.
We NEED communicaton for our class to work out, and just like when we were supposed to get our class review that never happened, there is no communication between us and the dev team at blizzard, which needs to be fixed.

Though i very much expect to be flamed, and not have a blue even respond to my post, i still hope that the "Polish" were supposed to recieve can atleast fix some of the things that obviously dont work, but as much as i am optimistic, ive been playing for around 3 years now, and so far blizzard doesnt exactally have a stellar track record with shamans.

Rant ended.

In the latest notes we have up in the beta, we note that all classes are having their trees get a balancing pass on them. While I know you are looking for specific answers to feedback, that's not always the most productive use of developer time. They are asking for the feedback so they can take a good look at concerns and then work on solutions if they feel the concerns are warranted. You are more likely to see the changes occur rather than hear about them directly ( depending on the time they have for specific conversation.)

I know this can be frustrating when you are hoping for more, but at this point, the development team is working very hard on many things including balancing touches and changes. Keep in mind, at some point here, we have to get to a 'finalization' stage so that we can move on into live and that includes addressing any bugs as well.

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My heart is still but revenge beats hot.

Darkomen

Barthilas

11. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:16:14 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
im not getting worked up about it, but me AND many other shamans are concerned about the lack of communication that we are receving from the blues on the forums.

Well there you go then

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Nethaera

Blizzard Poster

13. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:24:41 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Thanks for the post neth, this helps ease my pain a little bit ;)

I'm glad I can help at least a little.

Winter is cold and colder still are the winds that bring a dark foreboding.
I squint against it and feel nothing as it slips across my skin.
My heart is still but revenge beats hot.

Darkomen

Barthilas

15. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:27:41 PM PDT

Since you're here Nethaera does spellpower scale with level like resilience and crit rating and defense or is the difference noted in the OP's post for some other reason. Just curious.

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Cirdin

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Thrall

16. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:28:56 PM PDT

Ease your pain!?
It's a frickin video game... *sigh*

Geeze... you'd think that any changes made will cause the end of the world. XD

Nerfzilla

< Hazhorde >

Burning Legion

18. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:36:59 PM PDT

Warriors/Rogues/Druids are getting love.

Hunters/Mages/Paladins/shamans are getting fixes.

Warlocks are getting worse by the day.

Undeadnerf 70 Warlock (Burning Legion) -Naturenerf 70 Shaman (Burning Legion)
Nerfzilla 70 Rogue (Burning Legion)
Overnerf 70 Priest (Burning Legion)
Nerfarella 70 Warrior (Burning Legion)
Nerfsl

Sharky

Kel'Thuzad

19. Re: Concerns with WoTLK shamans. 09/09/2008 12:39:25 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

I know this can be frustrating when you are hoping for more, but at this point, the development team is working very hard on many more important things other than shaman including balancing touches and changes on rogues and warriors. Keep in mind, at some point here, we have to get to a 'finalization' stage on these classes as we the devs actually play them and enjoy them.

Fixed.

Welcome the TBC version 2 where Shaman again get nothing, and play the same at level 80 as they did at 60. (especially enhance).

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