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  • Bloodscalp
  • 0. Rules question, loot card code/gold trade?   04/16/2007 11:27:14 PM PDT
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Can I trade loot from the card game for gold? My argument that it should be allowed is that what I'm offering is an in-game item, not the card itself, so I won't be breaking the "trading real life items or money for gold" ban.


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  • 1. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/16/2007 11:32:37 PM PDT
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I understand your argument but you are in fact trading an out of game item (the code which is on the card) for virtual property (gold).

if you were to turn the code on the card into the item it would in fact be soulbound to your character so you would not be able to trade it to anyone else in the game.

I'm sorry, Magharim, but exchanging real world items or cash for virtual property is against our Terms of Use.

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  • Bloodscalp
  • 2. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/16/2007 11:36:32 PM PDT
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That's silly, because now my best option is to trade in game items for real money, I.E. sell the card to a hobby store or ebay or something. That seems to be breaking the rules too.


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  • 3. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/16/2007 11:42:55 PM PDT
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But you are not trading an in-game item for real money, Magharim, you would be trading a card. Feel free to do what you'd like with the card.

It is when it comes to trading virtual property that you will run into a problem.

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  • 4. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/21/2008 09:01:48 PM PDT
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That's silly, because now my best option is to trade in game items for real money, I.E. sell the card to a hobby store or ebay or something. That seems to be breaking the rules too.


Lol a few things about this matter. First of all I don't see why people don't USE THE CARD. (I would love to have a turtle to have my 19 twink ride into wsg on) And second of all trading ingame items for money or anything like that I find would be a bad deal because most of us play the game for enjoyment and if you just bought a deck so you could find a loot card and sell it on eBay, it kinda defeats the purpose of having fun ingame. While I do agree that the chances of getting loot cards in decks are low and they might be worth a lot to some people, any use of selling is just rediculous. Sometimes I wonder why people would even bother gold farming or selling accounts.

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  • Windrunner
  • 5. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/21/2008 10:10:21 PM PDT
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This issue is hazy. I actually asked this exact same question to an in game GM a month or so back and they said it was totally fine but be aware that scammers can easily take my gold and not give me the code, so buy these items at my own risk.

There really isn't a set policy on it, it's wether or not you view the in game code as Virtual or real.

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  • Dragonmaw
  • 6. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/21/2008 10:35:24 PM PDT
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I'm pretty sure that the policy is actually very well-defined; you can trade the card (or the code on the card), for real life items or cash, and you can exchange the in-game code (which I believe you get by entering the card code on a web-site of some sort) for in-game items or gold.


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  • 7. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/21/2008 11:05:52 PM PDT
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Real world item traded for real world item is okay
Virtual item for virtual item is okay

Real world item for virtual item is not okay
Virtual item for Real world item is not okay

okay ?

The problem lay in the definition of when the TCG redemption code becomes virtual.

Clearly once the ingame code is given to the NPC and it becomes an item it becomes soul bound and not tradeable, but between the time the code on the card (real world) is entered onto the appropriate website to be converted into an ingame code the transition between real world and virtual does in fact occur.

The sale of the ingame code for ingame gold or items is a risky business - highly risky, in terms of potential for scams ... and if you are scammed over an ingame code Blizzard is unlikely to provide ingame support.

It would be good if at some stage Blizzard had the gumption to create a formal policy on this so that all the Blues needed to do is quote and link to it - but its a fuzzy area trying to define when the real world code printed on the card becomes virtual world item that is tradeable.

I can say this because my Blizzard job (which I actually dont have therefore ..) is not on the line ... the Blues here are risking all by treading a fine line trying to give the correct answer, knowing the controversy over this whole issue.

In my opinion TCG codes should never have been designed to be redeemable for ingame items ... but they are, and Blizzard and we have to live with the chaos caused by a poorly constructed idea.

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  • 8. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/21/2008 11:22:04 PM PDT
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I thought there was a formal policy that said:

1. Code on card and/or card itself for cash, ok, for gold, not ok.
2. Code received from web site for use with Landro Longshot for gold, ok, for cash, not ok.

In neither situation will Blizz assist if the deal goes south.

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  • Earthen Ring
  • 10. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   04/22/2008 12:11:32 AM PDT
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I suspect the problem is less the GMs not having a policy, and more their ninja-changing the policy every few months or so. I'm against loot card codes being sellable for gold (as I feel it's a loophole for gold buying) but I don't think the forums need another one of my tirades on WoW and money.


Check the date on the OP, folks. This thread was necroed from april of 2007.

necroing threads = bad :)
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  • 11. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 10:44:05 AM PDT
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I understand your argument but you are in fact trading an out of game item (the code which is on the card) for virtual property (gold).

if you were to turn the code on the card into the item it would in fact be soulbound to your character so you would not be able to trade it to anyone else in the game.

I'm sorry, Magharim, but exchanging real world items or cash for virtual property is against our Terms of Use.
I talked to a gm in the ysera server and he said trading redemption codes for gold is ok as long as you arent trading it for money. I think someone at blizzard hasn't gotten the memo or doesn't know what they are talking about. We currentily have someone trying to sell the spectral tiger on our server now.(for 3k gold)
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  • 12. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 10:51:59 AM PDT
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  • Dragonblight
  • 13. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 10:53:25 AM PDT
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I talked to a gm in the ysera server and he said trading redemption codes for gold is ok as long as you arent trading it for money. I think someone at blizzard hasn't gotten the memo or doesn't know what they are talking about. We currentily have someone trying to sell the spectral tiger on our server now.(for 3k gold)

As this thread makes quite evident, the current policy is not the policy that's always been.

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  • Feathermoon
  • 15. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 03:54:25 PM PDT
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Ummm, So If you can't trade real items for in-game items. How is it ok for Blizzard to sell you a card that you can trade for an in-game item. If that is ok then the card would be considered a VIRTUAL item because if it wasn't then Blizzard would be breaking their own ToS.
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  • Argent Dawn
  • 16. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 04:37:42 PM PDT
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Ummm, So If you can't trade real items for in-game items. How is it ok for Blizzard to sell you a card that you can trade for an in-game item. If that is ok then the card would be considered a VIRTUAL item because if it wasn't then Blizzard would be breaking their own ToS.


you are getting a card, the code is a bonus.
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  • Feathermoon
  • 17. Re: Rules question, loot card code/gold trade   06/21/2008 04:45:08 PM PDT
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you are getting a card, the code is a bonus.

Yep a loop hole. He isn't selling the CODE on his card for gold he is in-deed selling the In-game item. The code the person gets is a bonus.
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