World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility

Drysc

Blizzard Poster

0. A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 11:59:23 AM PDT

While we would like all World of Warcraft players to be able to take part in the Arena Tournament, there are various legal factors leading to residents of some countries, states, and territories not being eligible to participate. These factors include but are not necessarily limited to:

Requirement to have purchased a copy of a game and/or pay a monthly fee to participate
Limits on the monetary value of the prize offered
Requirement that a contest sponsor (Blizzard, in this case) have a company presence within the borders of the country, state, or territory in which the participants reside

For more information on who is eligible for the Arena Tournament, please visit the Ruleset page. We appreciate your understanding in those cases when eligibility has been limited due to these or other factors, and we will continue to work to include as many countries as possible in all of our competitions.

Qualifying participants were determined based on their tournament eligibility and their standings at the end of the first qualification round of the Arena Tournament. Additionally, for a team to be deemed eligible, it must have enough eligible team members to qualify. Email notifications were sent to the registered email address of eligible participants.

Reasons you may not have received an email qualification notice:

Did not have a valid World of Warcraft Account at the time of qualification determination
Are not from a country that is eligible for the Arena Tournament.
Did not participate in enough games to qualify for the Arena Tournament.
Did not have enough eligible team members to qualify for the Arena Tournament.

If you still feel that you should have received a qualification notice after reviewing the information above, please email tourneyinfo@blizzard.com with “Arena Qualification” in the subject.

[ Post edited by Drysc ]

Fudge

< Rage >

Skullcrusher

1. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:03:13 PM PDT

when you exclude half the teams that should be there the tournament isnt worth much.

is the problem the cash prizes?

couldnt you just call it a tournament, move all the REAL WINNING TEAMS to the server, have them compete, and declare a winner?

i dont see how that would violate any laws. is the problem the measly cash prizes? this tiny amount of cash isnt worth ruining the tournament over. please reconsider

at the very least you should have been more clear. it was very difficult to interpret from the rules "if you allow any canadians on your team you cant compete". finding out after the fact that you got screwed over a technicality that you didnt see coming sucks.

[ Post edited by Fudge ]

Gins

< Pandemonium >

Echo Isles

3. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:08:12 PM PDT

So perhaps make those individuals that fall into one of the eligibility categories above pass on prizes, but still able to compete. Why keep them from competing at all? With most pvp'ers, the WIN itself is really what matters.

Let them compete, just be sure they understand some of the players on certain teams, due to requirements by locale, are ineligible for any real world prizes.

WoW player philosophy: Any class that can heal shouldn't be allowed competitive spell damage, melee damage, tanking ability, survivability, or crowd control. If you can heal, you will.

Alunar

Argent Dawn

6. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:14:30 PM PDT

Folks you need a lesson in multi jurisdictional law.

They have said time and again that if you live in an area that restricts participation in tournaments/contests/lotteries, you are not eligible.

It is up to YOU to make sure YOU and YOUR team mates are eligible.

The notion of adding more complexity Gins to say that folks can participate but "pass" on prizes is silly. Dealing with an international game with 50 states, plus Canadian law etc is complex enough.

Since all of this was spelled out at the outset, the folks that only now are figuring out that they or their teammates are ineligible is the fault of that team, not Blizz.

Take it from this lawyer, the Blizz marketing peeps came up with a good idea for a world wide tourney. Blizz's legal team likely had a fit over these issues and had to go through who knows how many drafts to come up with rules that conformed to the laws/regs of all of these jurisdictions.

People need to take some personal responsability for things. To simply blame "Blue" for the fact that they put all this time into a Tourney when they might not even be eligible is silly.

Alunar (0/47/14) Druid
Fizzlebibble-Frosty Mage Goodness

Arcessitor

Skullcrusher

7. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:15:03 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Did not participate in enough games to qualify for the Arena Tournament.

Explain

-Arc. A skilled, respected warlock.

http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pic1wv6.jpg

"I don't have to be famous to know that I'm the best." - Golbert

Haeme

< Tastes Like Chicken >

Alexstrasza

8. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:16:27 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Interesting.

So the winners of this Tournament will -not- be the best of the best. Interesting, indeed.

The tournament got nerfed just like everything else, you people act suprised.

Dyerseve

< JUICE >

Stormscale

10. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:18:23 PM PDT

This should have been posted day 1, I remember looking and checking for this sort of thing prior to the start of the season, certainly was not there. What a goddamned shame, Im sure alot of truly excellent groups are getting denied because of this. I guess netherdrake is just gonna have to be enough.

/yawn

Beleriand

< Impervious >

Stormreaver

11. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:19:24 PM PDT

^^ Agreed! Please explain how many games a member would have to play to be able to participate in the tourny. Also is this number/percentage of games played going to be applied to the end of the season rewards as well?

Lopha

Ner'zhul

12. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:21:19 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Folks you need a lesson in multi jurisdictional law.

They have said time and again that if you live in an area that restricts participation in tournaments/contests/lotteries, you are not eligible.

It is up to YOU to make sure YOU and YOUR team mates are eligible.

The notion of adding more complexity Gins to say that folks can participate but "pass" on prizes is silly. Dealing with an international game with 50 states, plus Canadian law etc is complex enough.

Since all of this was spelled out at the outset, the folks that only now are figuring out that they or their teammates are ineligible is the fault of that team, not Blizz.

Take it from this lawyer, the Blizz marketing peeps came up with a good idea for a world wide tourney. Blizz's legal team likely had a fit over these issues and had to go through who knows how many drafts to come up with rules that conformed to the laws/regs of all of these jurisdictions.

People need to take some personal responsability for things. To simply blame "Blue" for the fact that they put all this time into a Tourney when they might not even be eligible is silly.

But apparently Blizzard completely overlooks their own "qualifications" and uses a 2-Day old Armory rather than current, actual rating to decide the teams in the first place. This doesn't seem legal at all... not picking the correct particapants based on their own rules, for a cash price competition??? From the Armory Website:

"The First Qualification Round of the Tournament for the North America and European Union Region shall commence on February 16, 2007 at 12:00 AM, Pacific Standard Time and end on April 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM, Pacific Standard Time."
As of 11:59PM, PST, two of the Vicious Cycle teams had higher rating than the third team that was chosen, ZERG IT DOWN. However, Blizzard used a TWO DAY OLD ARMORY to get their data, rather than looking at actual rating as of 11:59pm. Blizzard used a BETA outdated system to get their data, which is obviously incorrect.

Blingbang

Daggerspine

13. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:25:14 PM PDT

This tournament is not for whose the best in the world then, its for whose the best of those eligable to play.

Pretty lame.

I bet Warm it Up didn't make it because blizzard didn't want any hick canadians like necator fouling thier tournament.

Q u o t e:
I bet Warm it Up didn't make it because blizzard didn't want any hick canadians like necator fouling thier tournament.

qft

[ Post edited by Blingbang ]

Alunar

Argent Dawn

14. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:26:35 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

But apparently Blizzard completely overlooks their own "qualifications" and uses a 2-Day old Armory rather than current, actual rating to decide the teams in the first place. This doesn't seem legal at all... not picking the correct particapants based on their own rules, for a cash price competition??? From the Armory Website:

"The First Qualification Round of the Tournament for the North America and European Union Region shall commence on February 16, 2007 at 12:00 AM, Pacific Standard Time and end on April 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM, Pacific Standard Time."
As of 11:59PM, PST, two of the Vicious Cycle teams had higher rating than the third team that was chosen, ZERG IT DOWN. However, Blizzard used a TWO DAY OLD ARMORY to get their data, rather than looking at actual rating as of 11:59pm. Blizzard used a BETA outdated system to get their data, which is obviously incorrect.

That is a completely seperate issue but a totally legitimate point. We'd need to know if a) They used a "snapshot" at a time other than what they stated in their own rules or b) Those teams you mentioned were ineligible for some other reason.

Given the effort folks have obviously put into this thing, it would be a PR disaster to say the least if they used outdated information in determining who the top five teams were in each battlegroup.

Alunar (0/47/14) Druid
Fizzlebibble-Frosty Mage Goodness

Wolfkeep

< Twisted Soul >

Ravencrest

15. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:30:13 PM PDT

How hard would it have been to verify eligibility prior to competition? Yu have the database, you have the means to verify all users are in eligible areas, are of eligible age.... all based on your data... the same data you used to disqualify teams after they proved their worth.

Lazy, poor foresight...... the arena shows this quality and recent patches show this quality. Your current work output leaves a lot to be desired!

Fudge

< Rage >

Skullcrusher

16. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:34:49 PM PDT

things they could have done:

-flagged all ineligible teams some point earlier

-been more explicit about the restrictions. it is VERY difficult for most people to pick out "if you have one canadian on your team you are ineligible" from the rules. i read over the rules more than once.

-hold a seperate tournament for all the real winners with no cash prizes considering the large number of teams which have been eliminated under the rules.

Kylanah

< Outlaw Immortals >

Sentinels

17. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:38:09 PM PDT

oh noes! pee-vee-pee'eers are crying! Stop the presses!

I'm sure, just like the EULA and TOS that is displayed when you installed the game and on each patch, there's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo that YOU do not read.

Is it possible that this information WAS available on day 1, and that you

a) were too lazy to read it
b) were too excited to level to 70 to be the best of the best
c) were too stupid to realize that Blizzard a company in the United States of America, home of the free, brave, and heavily laden words of legality visibile only to those with brains big enough to absorb words longer than 4 letters and eyes small enough to actually see the fine print.

Welcome to Reality.

Tyrende

< Ascension >

Whisperwind

18. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:40:58 PM PDT

Honestly, a part of me feels bad for those who worked hard and were excluded, and the other part of me doesn't care that you guys can't prove yourselves to be the most leet.

But that second part is much smaller than the first, so hopefully something will be done for those who were excluded for reasons that weren't made clear earlier.

Eldersage

< Recently Deceased >

Skullcrusher

19. Re: A Note on Arena Tournament Eligibility 04/19/2007 12:42:38 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
things they could have done:

-flagged all ineligible teams some point earlier

-been more explicit about the restrictions. it is VERY difficult for most people to pick out "if you have one canadian on your team you are ineligible" from the rules. i read over the rules more than once.

-hold a seperate tournament for all the real winners with no cash prizes considering the large number of teams which have been eliminated under the rules.

We had a candaian play less than 6% of the team's total games, and we are disqualified?!

Can we just boot that one member and the rest of our core team carries on to the tournament??

Forum > Gameplay Discussion Forums > PVP DISCUSSION