Despite 1h+shield devastate sounding like a good idea, the main problem is that not only would this buff PvP and farming/grinding for prot specs, but tanking as well. The whole point of them making it dual wield is that you would never be able to use it while doing the main job you specced for. Wasn't that the whole idea why they nerfed feral Druid damage? Because they were able to do good damage AND tank at the same time?

As I see it, its just a bonus to speccing 41 points into devastate. You want to use it, cool. If you don't, fine, no one's forcing you to.

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except that this DOES help us in the area we are lacking most-- farming and DPSing while not tanking. Quit trying to RP while grinding and pull out those 2 1hers; trust me, it's a lot faster, and it will be even better with this buff. Don't be so close-minded that you think every talent in the tree should cater towards and ONLY towards a certain setup. You're all whining that you have the option to dual-wield effectively.

Devastate was not changed in terms of tanking, and was buffed in terms of DPSing and grinding. what's the problem again?

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WE just had this discussion. Quit spewing nonsense. Shield slam grinding is as effective, more effective in my opinion, on non-elemental mobs for farming. ITs not about RP jack-#$%, its about efficiency. 3-4 mobs a litle faster, or 15-20 mobs straight wihtout stopping a little slower (and with shield slam gear, its not much slower)

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Despite 1h+shield devastate sounding like a good idea, the main problem is that not only would this buff PvP and farming/grinding for prot specs, but tanking as well. The whole point of them making it dual wield is that you would never be able to use it while doing the main job you specced for. Wasn't that the whole idea why they nerfed feral Druid damage? Because they were able to do good damage AND tank at the same time?

As I see it, its just a bonus to speccing 41 points into devastate. You want to use it, cool. If you don't, fine, no one's forcing you to.

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It definitely does not buff PvP. Its terrible for PvP even with the buff. Shield slam builds give you all the utility of prot and burst dmg, since you don;t get long on target with all the CC. DWing as prot in PvP makes you even worse than fury which can at least muster some impressive burst dmg with enough AP.

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Despite 1h+shield devastate sounding like a good idea, the main problem is that not only would this buff PvP and farming/grinding for prot specs, but tanking as well. The whole point of them making it dual wield is that you would never be able to use it while doing the main job you specced for. Wasn't that the whole idea why they nerfed feral Druid damage? Because they were able to do good damage AND tank at the same time?

As I see it, its just a bonus to speccing 41 points into devastate. You want to use it, cool. If you don't, fine, no one's forcing you to.

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Blizzard (for whatever reason) looks like they're starting to use Damage instead of scalable threat for holding aggro. The Tuning design suggests that it's a lot easier to scale damage with inevitably newer gear than it is to make a scalable threat ability. Evidence for this comes from newer equipment stacking +shield block value for larger shield slams, the new damage oriented revenge, and devastate itself, which, instead of having dealing threat similar to sunder relies on weapon damage and AP for additional threat beyond what sunder provides.

I've been reading some other threads regarding Devastate, and it looks like it on the test realms, it may be overpowered. This does not bode well as this ability may very well be nerfed from the PTR numbers alone. These numbers come from warriors using full AP gear and dual wielding devastate with slow, hard hitting weapons.

Finding a damage set that will be too overpowered for a sword and board devastate would be hard to come by because you'd have to increase AP, Shield Block, and Crit evenly, providing a mix of these three aspects, and providing smaller numbers around. This sword and board devastate may then act as a contingency plan if the devastate in PTR is thrown out altogether.

Here's for having a unique warrior skill and not just a copy of mutilate or stormstrike.

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The problem with your idea is the second you make it only work with a shield you are back to GIMP rage -.-

if you are farming with a shield you should be slamming, not Devastating, and you wont have rage for both.

The only change that should be made to devastate is that is SHOULD apply sunders if they arent there.

Socc

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Agreed

I'm a relatively new prot warrior and I already figured out that I should leave the shield in my bag when I'm trying to solo. Having to throw 5 sunders on a target before I DPS it, now that is annoying.

Bump for shield block value.

Horrible idea. Anybody asking to remove the offhand damage to use block value damage is going to be reducing the damage we're capable of dealing out when not tanking. Not increasing it.

Stop asking for a nerf.

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Horrible idea. Anybody asking to remove the offhand damage to use block value damage is going to be reducing the damage we're capable of dealing out when not tanking. Not increasing it.

Stop asking for a nerf.

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Actually, the idea was to have the devastate changes also benefit people wearing a shield somehow. We don't even know if these devastate changes will last through the PTR, and if Blizzard deems it overpowered somehow, this suggestion would make a fine alternative.

sigh...

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The change to Devastate in 2.1 is being reverted and will not be a change for the patch once it goes live. We've done some additional damage testing and the output is in far excess of what we had thought it would provide.

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/sigh

That is very disappointing. Are there any plans to revisit the idea of increasing Prot. Warrior DPS be it via DW Devastate or some other form?

OMG, so we've been nerfed before we were even buffed?!

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The change to Devastate in 2.1 is being reverted and will not be a change for the patch once it goes live. We've done some additional damage testing and the output is in far excess of what we had thought it would provide.

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Good info. Any word on making the Fury and Arms trees 31+ talents any more appealing?

J

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The change to Devastate in 2.1 is being reverted and will not be a change for the patch once it goes live. We've done some additional damage testing and the output is in far excess of what we had thought it would provide.

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Ouch.

Let it scale some with armor or defense or somesuch at least!

It's a little disheartening to think how little developer testing would need to be done to assess the DPS increase that the now defunct change would have brought. Is everything just conceptually constructed and you throw it at us to judge in time frames that go from a week to 2 years?

Drysc, would you mind replying on some of the other topics of concern? An update on the status of all the changes seems to be in order, no?

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The change to Devastate in 2.1 is being reverted and will not be a change for the patch once it goes live. We've done some additional damage testing and the output is in far excess of what we had thought it would provide.

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Sigh, and here I actually considered going prot for a few minutes.

Does blizzard intend for dual wield to be viable at all for warriors?

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The change to Devastate in 2.1 is being reverted and will not be a change for the patch once it goes live. We've done some additional damage testing and the output is in far excess of what we had thought it would provide.

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Will there be another PTR update to reflect said change?