http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97081979&pageNo=3&sid=1#50

Bolding and posting the part that concerns me:

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We're fairly happy with priest healing where it is,

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Any thoughts?

Actually, he's right, the *healing* is fine.

What's *not* fine is the fact that we have bugger all survivability compared to the other healing classes, especially so for Holy Pallies.

Our healing output is comparable, but holy pallies have a whole bunch more survivability and other utility. Who do you pick? Well. Hrm.

If Blizz wants to keep healing outputs about the same, then they better be giving us a whole lot more *something* to make up for it.

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Aside from the talents people most likely will not use (Lolwell and CoH) Priests are the best healers in PvE. I'll agree with Blizz that we are fine as healers, but they should at least give us an endgame holy talent people will actually pick up.

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Holy tree is a mess

Disc tree doesn't seem to work well as a survivability tree at all

Sure our healing is ok, but mana regeration and most other things with priests seem to be broken, but the healing is ok and thats whats important.....right?

ha, Thorfi beat me to it :)

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I see alot of priests cry that they get outhealed by Paladins, Druids etc and it's because they are either:

a) Not as good as that other healer.
b) Not assigned in a raid role where their 'healing meter' numbers are topping the charts.
c) Both of the above.

This was a topic that Priest Healing was fine. Which it is.

Survivability, talent trees are poorly done and other things are definite concerns. I tried to keep it on topic.

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But you cant ignore those issuses. It seems to me, in Blizzard's eyes if our HEALING is ok then the class is ok. Which is hardly the case. So we are meant to be heal bots and nothing else? The continued nerfs to the shadow tree lead me to believe so. I realize i signed up for a healing class, but why cant I survive in PvP for more then 5 seconds?

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We've made some changes to Circle of Healing obviously, and we're just in the process of wait and see, taking baby steps as we go. Changes to Lightwell are along the same lines, we want to make sure our footing is there before taking the next step. It's generally better to make incremental changes instead of emptying the clip and seeing where things fell, which don't get me wrong, has happened before in some capacity. It's not an approach we generally intend or like to take though.

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Im sure you are through with this thread but what about Holy Nova.

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We hate Circle of Healing.
We hate Lightwell.

Remove them.

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We've made some changes to Circle of Healing obviously, and we're just in the process of wait and see, taking baby steps as we go. Changes to Lightwell are along the same lines, we want to make sure our footing is there before taking the next step. It's generally better to make incremental changes instead of emptying the clip and seeing where things fell, which don't get me wrong, has happened before in some capacity. It's not an approach we generally intend or like to take though.

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how come that same logic doesn't apply to nerfs? =/

nerfed vampiric embrace by 1/4 and made it unable to crit, that was pretty major.

cut shadow weaving by 1/3, again... pretty major.

cut warrior enrage+deathwish, thats their 45% to 20/25%, again... pretty major.

cut paladin mana return on crits by 1/2.

cut pally mana regen from healing when full to 0, totally major....



why are nerfs so major but buffs so small? if you're gonna swing the bat wildly one way why not the other? =|

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We hate Circle of Healing.
We hate Lightwell.

Remove them.

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We hate Circle of Healing.
We hate Lightwell.

Remove them.

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We've made some changes to Circle of Healing obviously, and we're just in the process of wait and see, taking baby steps as we go. Changes to Lightwell are along the same lines, we want to make sure our footing is there before taking the next step. It's generally better to make incremental changes instead of emptying the clip and seeing where things fell, which don't get me wrong, has happened before in some capacity. It's not an approach we generally intend or like to take though.

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Then what was adding a 10 second cooldown on ProM? And Reducing Illumination by 50%?

Those aren't major changes?

It seems you're only willing to move slowly on buffs, when it comes to nerfs it's shoot first ask questions later.

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We hate Circle of Healing.
We hate Lightwell.

Remove them.

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also, i hear the change to CoH is +25. is that correct?

because if it is... well, i don't really have a snarky or quick-witted response, as i am dumbfounded by this.

Hey Drysc any word on looking at Circle of Healing's targeting mechanics?

For example making it hit up to 5 raid members, prioritizing the most damaged ones?

And also any word Lightwell maybe scaling with gear?

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We've made some changes to Circle of Healing obviously, and we're just in the process of wait and see, taking baby steps as we go. Changes to Lightwell are along the same lines, we want to make sure our footing is there before taking the next step. It's generally better to make incremental changes instead of emptying the clip and seeing where things fell, which don't get me wrong, has happened before in some capacity. It's not an approach we generally intend or like to take though.

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I call BS on this one. Nerfs come hard and fast. No baby steps here at all. The list is long, and I don't care to re-type it. The 'buffs' come to crap spells and talents, that no one uses and we're supposed to cheer?

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We've made some changes to Circle of Healing obviously, and we're just in the process of wait and see, taking baby steps as we go. Changes to Lightwell are along the same lines, we want to make sure our footing is there before taking the next step. It's generally better to make incremental changes instead of emptying the clip and seeing where things fell, which don't get me wrong, has happened before in some capacity. It's not an approach we generally intend or like to take though.

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Quick suggestion for Lightwell

1. Make it so you cant spam it and use up all the charges. Perhaps a debuff similar to PW: Shield?

2. Make it better than bandages, if its not why pick it up at all?

3. Another option could be to make it so the heal doesnt break on damage, but keep the same amount of hp healed. Increase mana and CD maybe too.

Just my 2c while a blue reads :P

Why can they make radical improvements to the druid talents, as well as other classes, but not to priests? I don't understand the logic there. Even if all classes could heal evenly (which is debatable), priests still have the lowest survivavility of any of the healers, which means we are still inferior in pvp or in any pve sitiaution where we take damage.