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This list does not contain all of the upcoming changes, but instead gives a brief look at what is to come.

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So, in other words, unless engineering becomes game-breakingly powerful, Neth lied to you.

You have issues.

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No reasonable attempts were made to fix the problems in the description we have been waiting a long time to read.

Examples of some issues:
- Opening chests/locks with > 300 skill = impossible (applies to blacksmithing and skeleton keys)
- Grenade cost and damage scaling appropriately to post BC stamina
- Unextended lines of abilities (ex: targetting dummies, damage vs stun vs bigger vs smaller radius explosives)
- New trinkets (1 trinket per side is not the an expansion of abilities)
- Guns not "epic" relative to blacksmithing
- Not understanding that engineering pre-TBC had great use in PVP. With PVP migrating largely to Arena and consumables (like explosives) no longer being useable... the skill at large needs to change.*
- Recipes for "injectors" are "world drops" and "provide no additional benefit".
- Mote extractors are poorly implemented. The clouds are on long respawns, not trackable, and offer worse "rewards" then farming the mote dropping npcs in the same zone.
- 375 helmets suck, but 350 skill level helmets are suppose to 'rule'? Well they screwed something up. Either the 375 helmets need upgrades or the 350 helmets are obsolete before they existed because 350 should be worse then 375... progression of skills.

* NOTE: players do not use engineering 'as they level'.

Crepe don't be patronizing, anyone who went to thottbot once never engineering a single item is qualified to dismiss blizzards post..

At least your profession didn't get nerfed into the ground.

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Not a single thing was done to help the state of engineering. Players already know the helmets are going to suck. Frost grenades are not what engineers wanted (unless it has a 30 yard radius). All of this under the pretense of the word "revamp."



Revamp - to renovate, redo, or revise http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revamp?r=75

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Lil Bunny QQ cryin through the forums, scoopin' up decent threads and turning them into trash. Along came the good Nethaera and she said, "Lil Bunny QQ, I don't want to see you scoopin up decent threads and turning them into trash."

So the next day, Lil Bunny QQ was cryin through the forums, scoopin up decent threads and filling them with tears. Along came the good Nethaera and she said, "Lil Bunny QQ, I don't want to see you scoopin up decent threads and filling them with tears. " (Here would be the best part) "She said, I gave you a warning to change your ways, but you didn't obey, so now I'm banning you from the forums. POOF You're banned! "


(And for the record, I'm an Engineer)

/justquit

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What?

What are you talking about?

The only profession respec is for specializations such as swordsmith, and I wasn't talking about that.

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It was a joke :p

I'm glad you've taken the time to build a time machine and travel to the future to test out the profession revamp patch for us. If it were not for you, people would actually have to wait to see what really was in a patch before complaining to the forums.

Thank you.

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Lil Bunny QQ cryin through the forums, scoopin' up decent threads and filling them with tears. Along came the good Nethaera and she said, "Lil Bunny QQ, I don't want to see you scoopin up decent threads and filling them with tears."

So the next day, Lil Bunny QQ was cryin through the forums, scoopin up decent threads and filling them with tears. Along came the good Nethaera and she said, "Lil Bunny QQ, I don't want to see you scoopin up decent threads and filling them with tears. " (Here would be the best part) "She said, I gave you a warning to change your ways, but you didn't obey, so now I'm banning you from the forums. POOF You're banned! "


(And for the record, I'm an Engineer)

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copyright 2007, Banana&lilQQ

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Something that is actually useful. The only things left in engineering that are of any use are the jumper cables and rocket boots xtreme if you're able to use them. Pre-TBC engineering already had enough items that had a chance to fail and backfire which was acceptable. Post-TBC almost every item has a good chance to fizzle if it existed before TBC and this hurts the entire profession since there wasn't anything given to make up for the loss of these items. When engineers lost these items they lost almost all utility that went with the profession. This is a profession built on utility so to lose it really hurts the profession. Engineers give up a second possible profession to receive this utility, so what's the point in taking engineering if you're not even going to get the utility of the profession?

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It's not our fault you don't use your explosives.

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It's not our fault you don't use your explosives.

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Can't really use them when you're not given the chance to use them when you need them.

We have taken the time to put together a brief preview of the Profession changes for the upcoming content patch. This list does not contain all of the upcoming changes, but instead gives a brief look at what is to come.

- Quoted exactly from Nethaera. Not all changes are listed, and even when we do receive a full list this will not be the entire profession changes put forth but rather only the first of many.

I don't care about the specifics of what the CMs said. I do care that they encouraged us to provide feedback in several threads, and then the devs mostly ignored the responses.

Did anyone think engineering needed more grenades and goggles?

and this is why blizzard will return to having a tight lip about future updates even when they say here is a brief overview there are topics ripping it apart because its not enough...its a damn preview. Example if amd said "our next gen processor will feature upgrades such as a new HT bus, improved logic, lower power consumption and new vector math instruction support" of course theres a lot more to a new processing core that is revealed upon release.

They just put them up to let people know changes are coming by the gods they didnt say these are the major changes and we will add more smaller ones later. These are probably the changes that are set to go so they can release this information at this time. These arent the PTR patch notes so just chill, sound like a bunch of gossiping old ladies.

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I think the more important part of the post you quoted was "over time", this patch doesn't encompass all of the changes coming for engineering.

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Drysc, the plain language of the preview doesn't really get us excited. I mean, it clearly says this is a look at what's to come. Well, if this isn't exciting then why should we expect more of the same to be any better?

An interesting look at what is to come:

Fireworks Extravaganza
Fireworks Extravaganza Launcher
Goblin Jumper Cables MKII
Yellow Flare
Black Flare
Pink Flare
Psychodelic Flare

and the brutal truth is that crafting is at best a hobby compared to the real meat of the game, killing big nasties inside instances.

in fact to even do moderately well at your crafting hobby, you have to be downright HEROIC at killing the big nasties.