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  • Maelstrom
  • 20. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 05:56:18 PM PDT
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If it procs on ticks of Aftermath and Shadowflame it'll actually be more reliable.

Think Nightfall.
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  • Gorgonnash
  • 21. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 05:57:53 PM PDT
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The dev team are a joke.

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  • 22. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 06:48:55 PM PDT
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I think it's effing hilarious.

Who cares, nobody in the history of wow has ever specced aftermath anyway, they can nerf it all they like.


You've obviously never seen a single real destruction warlock, have you?

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  • 23. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 06:55:38 PM PDT
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You've obviously never seen a single real destruction warlock, have you?

I've seen like 1 PvP dest lock in all of TBC. So I'm sure he hasnt seen one. Wtb viable dest spec.
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  • 24. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:14:52 PM PDT
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LOL

even if Aftermath were to get nerfed (which it won't) you'd be a complete moron to even take it in the first place.

idiot QQers ITT
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  • 25. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:20:04 PM PDT
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You've obviously never seen a single real destruction warlock, have you?


Aftermath has always been bad, which is sad because it would only take a tiny change to make it decent: replacing the daze effect with disorient.

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  • Maelstrom
  • 26. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:24:20 PM PDT
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22% chance Aftermath will go off during an Immolate.

18% chance Aftermath will go off during a Shadowflame.

36% chance of Aftermath going off when Immolate and Shadowflame are stacked.



You could only get better RNG on Aftermath if you were able to stand still and spam nukes. ;þ
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  • Ursin
  • 28. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:37:51 PM PDT
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22% chance Aftermath will go off during an Immolate.

18% chance Aftermath will go off during a Shadowflame.

36% chance of Aftermath going off when Immolate and Shadowflame are stacked.



You could only get better RNG on Aftermath if you were able to stand still and spam nukes. ;þ


Soooo... why not make it proc on the initial landing of the spell? Then bring it back to 10%.


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WotLK Release: Aftermath was nerfed due to immolation ticks proc'ing it.
First Post-Wotlk Patch: Immolation Ticks no longer proc Aftermath.



That's reminiscent of the DoT coefficient nerf. Kalgan believes 'DoTs are too powerful'. So he nerfs the coefficients. DoTs are then later added to resilience, despite the coefficient nerf.

Kalgan thought 'Felguard damage is too high.' So he nerfs the damage to be on par with the Succubus. Clothies then obtain a considerable increase of AC, and become crit immune to pets via resilience. Also factor in pets no longer scale with new stats added.

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  • 29. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:39:54 PM PDT
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First my infernal and doomguard and now aftermath? There's never a shortage of ritual of souls buffs, though. In wotlk it will have voice overs, shake the screen, and trample all over your neighbor's prize winning rose garden.
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  • Maelstrom
  • 30. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/25/2008 07:46:00 PM PDT
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Soooo... why not make it proc on the initial landing of the spell? Then bring it back to 10%.


It does still proc on the initial landing of the spell.

But now by proccing on the tick too you get more reliable chances for it to go off.

That is unless you think you're going to be able to get off the 11 nukes in 15 seconds to match an Immolate and Shadowflame stack.
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  • Altar of Storms
  • 31. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 04:07:56 PM PDT
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You've obviously never seen a single real destruction warlock, have you?


Nope.

I've also never seen bigfoot, the loch ness monster, or a UFO.

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  • 32. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 04:12:11 PM PDT
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Wow, they nerfed Aftermath? So a talent I've never used and probably never would have used is more useless?
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  • Moon Guard
  • 33. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 04:34:52 PM PDT
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Warlock:
Hellfire: this spell will no longer prevent caping nodes in AB or AV.

now:

Aftermath is a 4% daze chance

Because Aftermath and Hellfire are both gamebreakly OP, blizzard needed to do this.



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  • 34. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 04:58:41 PM PDT
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It's now only 4% chance to daze the target. Why would they do this, it's been worthless for so long so they make it 2 points and now with it at 4% it will never proc.

We've looked into this and verified that the talent calculator is incorrect. Aftermath is now only a two-point talent down from a five-point talent, however the talent is actually providing a 5/10% chance to daze a target off of destruction spells, not 2/4%.

This means for two points spent in Aftermath a Warlock in Wrath of the Lich King will receive the same benefit as is received for spending five talent points in Aftermath in the current game.

We'll be making the appropriate updates to the talent calculator shortly. Thank you all for your feedback.

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  • Bloodscalp
  • 36. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 05:04:00 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

We've looked into this and verified that the talent calculator is incorrect. Aftermath is now only a two-point talent down from a five-point talent, however the talent is actually providing a 5/10% chance to daze a target off of destruction spells, not 2/4%.

This means for two points spent in Aftermath a Warlock in Wrath of the Lich King will receive the same benefit as is received for spending five talent points in Aftermath in the current game.


oh.... well that's nice then
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  • Eldre'Thalas
  • 39. Re: Aftermath Nerfed   07/28/2008 05:12:29 PM PDT
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i like how get blue posts about inaccurate tooltips and not class-wide concerns about pet scaling, dot scaling, pvp defenses, and pve/pvp utility.


This isn't a warlock-specific issue. Blues can't talk about a lot of things players would like them to talk about. That's just how it is, and if you haven't accepted it by now, it's past time for you to do so. In the meantime, try to be happy that Aftermath is a good talent in WotLK? :)

Edit: The post you quoted was removed for being off the topic of this thread.

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