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  • 0. [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 08:12:45 AM PST
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For the past few days I've noticed that greater heal will cast and complete but the target does not appear to receive healing or a msg in my combat log that states the spell was cast. I'm very certain that this is not a lag issue. A few other priests I've asked if this has happened too have said they've noticed this as well. Some places that this has happened is Botanica, Karazhan and a few times last night in heroic blood furance. All other heal seem to be working correctly. Let me know any other information that might help.
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  • 2. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 08:24:07 AM PST
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yes noticed it as well, kind of like your targets are "resisting'' the heals. this isnt only affecting gheal either, ive noticed it for flashes as well as plain ol' "Heal"

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  • 3. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 10:34:52 AM PST
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Hi Zantisha,

I'm seeing a lot of posts about this and we're investigating it.

Can anyone tell me how they are casting Greater Heal? Are you using a macro, are you casting on an already selected target etc? the more information the better.

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  • 4. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 10:53:36 AM PST
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I am using Clique to click-cast on the targets' health bars. I've had the no-result issue occur both when the target was selected as my target as well as when I've clicked to heal a non-selected target. I do use Clique for a variety of other spells, both hostile and friendly, and have not had any problems with a spell other than Greater Heal failing to take effect.

The issue is not limited to times of very low target health involving split-second timing. I have had the no-effect heal issue occur when I have verified that the player was not receiving incoming damage, there was no AoE damage occurring and the player did not have aggro. He just never received the healing effect, even though the cast completed.

I cannot verify information for Flash Heal and Lesser Heal, because I don't use Lesser Heal and I rarely use Flash Heal.
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  • Gilneas
  • 5. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 10:59:04 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
He just never received the healing effect, even though the cast completed.


Any chance the next time this happens you could take a screenshot of your log (or leave /combatlog running) and have your target do the same?

Altho, lag (and "simultaneous" events) causes strange things, like this situation I had in ZG a long time ago:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7585/dibrokenkf8.jpg

yes, that was from MY combat log, showing Spacey DI'ing me and dying, and then me dying.

-T

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  • 6. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:02:11 AM PST
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Thanks Ziel, I assume you are using the highest rank of Greater Heal, is everyone who is experiencing this using the highest rank? or is it happening with all ranks?

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  • 7. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:09:42 AM PST
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No, Hortus, it's happening with all ranks. Specifically, I had it happen with GH Rank 1 the other night on a hunter who had no aggro, no incoming damage and no AEs occurring. He was not out of range. He was about midrange health, and the GH1 simply never affected him. I was not being stunned or interrupted or silenced, etc. I had to re-heal.

When it happens with the MT though, yes, it's usually max rank.

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  • 8. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:12:14 AM PST
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Just to be sure, this is happening when healing all classes?

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  • 9. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:15:24 AM PST
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I can say with certainty I've experienced it on warriors and hunters. (Since I've just figured out today that I'm not nuts and this is really happening, I'll obviously start taking more careful note.)
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  • 10. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:30:17 AM PST
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I've noticed this with Healing Touch as well (highest rank at 70, so rank 12 or so?), healing warriors, hunters and bear form druids. I kept thinking my target was getting hit right away after the heal but I guess it's a bug considering other people are seeing the same thing.

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  • 11. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:43:45 AM PST
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Just to be clear, as Duman said there are situations where a character can die at the same moment that a healing spell goes off and the spell completes without healing. This is a limitation of the client-server system and not something we can really fix.

The issue that is concerning me is players who are not being attacked and are not low on health not getting the heals.

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  • 12. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:51:12 AM PST
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I have been directed here in my post about issues with the Greater Heal. I don't see this issue as the same issue being described in this thread but they may be related or the same upon further investigation.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=82079212&sid=1

First reported comment.


Q u o t e:
The priest spell "Greater Heal" ofter heals for much last then the displayed heal range on the spell. I noticed last night while doing many repeated greater heals that about every 5th or 6th consecutive greater heal lands for around 1300 instead of the expect 3500 average heal for me with +900 healing gear. The heal charges the same ammount of mana but is less than half as effective as the spent Greater Heal.


Response to questions about possibly result from a debuf.


Q u o t e:
I noticed this during the Quest: Battle of the Crimson Watch (Group) in Shadowmoon Valley. I was the MH healing our Warrior and a Feral Druid. It's possible this was just a debuf however I found it very odd that it only happened after 5 or 6 repeated heals instead of consistently heal after heal. I have to do the quest again tonight so I will watch for a short debuf causing this issue and see if thats what it is.



More information after testing on 3/7


Q u o t e:
I was able to confirm this last night. I did several test during tank healing situations and so far have only seen this issue in the Outland area. Im not sure if its possible for it to happen only in the Outlands (Shadowmoon Valley) and not in Ironforge. I did conduct the same test in Ironforge and was unable to get the extermely low heal using Greater Heal. I will do a bit more testing and provide some screen shots of the combat logs showing the landing of the heals. Here is a sample text of what i am seing. This is typed out so dont jump me saying its not actual text (its not).

Your Greater Heal has healed Tank1 for 3561.
Your Greater Heal has critically healed Tank1 for 6230.
Your Greater Heal has healed Tank1 for 3212.
Your Greater Heal has healed Tank1 for 3496.
Your Greater Heal has healed Tank1 for 1215.
Your Greater Heal has healed Tank1 for 3610.



Has anyone else been able to verify this in Shadowmoon Valley???


In response to questions by Blizzard poster in this thread: At the time I noticed this I was healing a druid and a warrior using the default hotkey 4 on my primary action bar. No debuff was apparent at the time of the heal, however there has been some random latency that my be causing this between the client and the server. There are only 3 mods being used by myself at the time of the issue. (Atlas, Atlasloot and Outfitter) The issue was recreatable only in the Shadowmoon Valley area of the Outlands. Note I have not attempted to create the issue in any other area of the Outlands. The issue was NOT recreatable in Ironforge healing a low health target.

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  • 13. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 11:57:04 AM PST
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Thanks for responding Hortus

I am not using any macros to cast this heal. I'm casting on a target that is current targeted and the highest rank of the spell. This has happened while healing on players attacking mobs that wouldn't hit the target for more damage than my greater heal. As far as class I can recall it happening when healing a warrior as well as a Druid. I hope that helps.
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  • 14. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 12:00:54 PM PST
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Just to be clear, as Duman said there are situations where a character can die at the same moment that a healing spell goes off and the spell completes without healing. This is a limitation of the client-server system and not something we can really fix.

The issue that is concerning me is players who are not being attacked and are not low on health not getting the heals.



yeah ty hortus

just adding i do not use any macros and have seen this aswell. strait gheal. i use rank 2 most of the time & have had it happen on gheal7 & gheal2. not often but enough to notice. its pretty random so i dont know if its just luck of the draw but i havent seen this on any dps classes i have been healing, but i tend to just flash heal those types vs. only gheals on the mt.



edit to add - my tank hasn't died at the same time and some cases i have had the time to recast or he may have gotten a lucky dodge, but i noticed my heals not taking when the tank was around 40%-20% health totals...again just some info about what i noticed.

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  • 15. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 12:10:33 PM PST
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I have noticed something like this with Regrowth on my Druid (self healing while grinding, the initial heal didn't appear to take effect, but the HoT did), but can't say for sure that it wasn't due to incoming damage. I will check the log the next time it appears to happen, though.
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  • 16. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 12:28:30 PM PST
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Just to be clear, as Duman said there are situations where a character can die at the same moment that a healing spell goes off and the spell completes without healing. This is a limitation of the client-server system and not something we can really fix.

The issue that is concerning me is players who are not being attacked and are not low on health not getting the heals.


Since you're replying just after me, I want to make it clear the target of my heal does not die. The health bar just doesn't move at all.

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  • 17. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 12:40:35 PM PST
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I've had this happen to me before, been awhile since I've played this char, but I remember moments where I cast a heal and no hp bar movement, I was just thinking that the target was taking damage at the same time the heal was casted, very un-likely I shoulda thought smarter, even if this target did get hit at same tme as the heal, the heal would've still increase his hp, stands how 1500 heal > 200 dmg by far, this happened rarely for me atleast.

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  • 18. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 01:09:39 PM PST
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Hi Zantisha,

I'm seeing a lot of posts about this and we're investigating it.

Can anyone tell me how they are casting Greater Heal? Are you using a macro, are you casting on an already selected target etc? the more information the better.



My experience has been casting it non-macro on a pre-selected target. It seems to lag for 1-2 seconds between the time the cast bar is done and the healing registers on my target. In some cases I have enough time to cast a second GHeal and then both register at once.

I've also heard complaints in healer channels from paladins and shamans that they had a heal land on the now dead tank that didn't register in time. Seems like a universal problem with heals.

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  • 19. Re: [BUG] Greater Heal   03/08/2007 01:40:51 PM PST
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I noticed this the day before the last patch.

Me main healing in a 5 man heroic, shammy off healing.

Tank takes damage, i cast rank 3 Gheal, tank takes more damage, i cast max rank Gheal, tank dies ... shammy asks me wtf is going on and if he should main heal. i look through my combat log - not a single heal landed.
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