THE HUNTER DPS CALCULATOR - http://hunter.stoneform.org

Version 1.1.0

March 8th

Now including hit rating on items. Added dps from this varies depending on where you set your hit cap (8.6% by default for PVE raiding, but is suggested to be lowered for purposes of comparing gear for PVP, or non-raid scenarios). Will update the calculations I used in the calculations section soon.


March 7th, 2007

Original Post:

I've finally learned enough flash to put my spreadsheets online as a calculator for the people.

Some of you may remember my hunter weapons spreadsheet that I made a long long time ago. (http://wow.stoneform.org/hunterweapons.jpg) This put a Ranged DPS value to any item considering its stats, which was important since it included the DPS increase you would get from crits!

Now, I didn't keep that spreadsheet updated, and it was a lost cause since everyone has different stats and talents. So I always wanted to turn it into a calculator that people could use online with their own dps and talents. Not only that, I have increased the depth of the calculations by a lot, and definitely made it much more accurate.

So here it is, the Hunter DPS Calculator!

http://hunter.stoneform.org

So you will see you put in your DPS, your Crit Rate, your talents (1 for yes, 0 for no), and the stats of the item.

How the stats increase your dps:

Agility = Attack Power, DPS of Crit Gained from Agility, Additional Attack Power Value from Your Crit Rate
Attack Power = Attack Power, Additional Attack Power Value from Crit Rate
Crit Rating = DPS from Crit Rating
Intellect = Attack Power from Int, Additional Attack Power Value from Crit Rate

The calculations are covered in the following post.

Hit Rating is currently not included since it is subjective and varies for what you are fighting. I intend to change it to include a Hit Cap that the user puts in (ie: a low number for pvp or a high number for end game raiding). It is a work in progress. Weapon Skill and the Ranged Weapon Specialization Talent are to be added in soon as well in the next version.

My appologies if the flash applet is kinda lame, but I didn't know anything about flash or actionscripts before doing this. I think it worked out pretty well! Be sure to let me know of any bugs at http://stoneform.org

I've also used a generic dps and generic stats and marksmanship build to make a list of current armors in the game. I'll be updating this as I feel like it. I encourage you to use the calculator though for any comparison you have in mind.

Armor Rankings: http://hunter.stoneform.org/rankings.htm
(Using 400 DPS, 22.5% Crit, and a Standard MM Talent Build)

Updates and Calculations will be in the following posts.

Now I know i'm not the only one who does the math, and I'm sure a lot of you want to know my calculations. I am very open to being let known of any errors I have made although I suggest you make them at Stoneform.org.

First off a few definitions if you are new:
DPS = Damage Per Second
RAP, AP = Ranged Attack Power
Crit = Critical Strike, can be in reference to your crit rate, an items crit rating (numeric value), or as crit % increase

So here they are!

DPS From Ranged Attack Power
The most dps from ranged attack power, as most know is dividing by a factor of 14. Your ammo sack and talents have an impact on this however. For the current version of the calculator DPS from Attack Power is calculated as:

DPS = RAP / ( 14 / 1.## ), Where ## is your ammo sack speed.
ie: DPS=RAP/(14/1.15)

If you are marksmanship specced and you have done calculations from your white screen you will notice this doesn't line up. Two talents affect this, Master Marksman (10% AP) and Ranged Weapon Specialization (5% Damage). Master Marksman straight up increases your AP by 10% and is factored in before the calculation, and Ranged Weapon Specialization increases the final dps by 5% after the calculation. This should give you the same number if you try swapping out an item with a specific amount of AP and look at your dps change.

AP gets a boost if your crit rate goes up, because the AP boost in turn make each crit% more valuable. I have included this, and although it is minimal, it certainly does come in effect. The calculation I have used for this DPS is:
DPS = RAP * 0.01 * Critrate
(Note if mortal shots is selected, 0.01 become 0.013, more on these values in the CRIT DPS section)

All talents that improve RAP are included before calculations for a total mod AP used.

AP DPS gets a bonus from Ranged Attack Power Specialization that is currently NOT included in the calculator. This should be a minimal change, however will be added in soon when I get the time to work it out.


DPS from AGILITY

Agility = AP as we all know. The AP aspect of Agility is handled in the exact same way as mentioned above for AP.

Agility = Crit. The Crit DPS aspect of Agility is handled in the exact same way as mentioned below for Crit DPS. (40 Agility =1% to Crit at level 70)

Talents that increase agility and AP are factored in before dps calculations.


DPS from CRIT

1% to Crit increases your dps by 1%. This is simple to understand if you think of 99 shots landing for 1 damage each and with 1% crit chance, one critting for 2 damage (not counting mortal shots bonus yet). The total damage is 101 and thus you have increased the damage by 1% with 1% to crit.

So the calculation is:
DPS = Crit% * 0.01 * YOURDPS

Crit rating converts to crit percent at a factor of 22.075 Crit Rating per Crit %. This is a number i have calculated myself by fitting a curve to 13 points of Crit Rating to Crit % data. This is at level 70 as with all these calculations.

Mortal Shots can increase this, and would replace the 1% with 1.3%, and the formula becomes:

DPS = Crit% * 0.013 * YOUR DPS

DPS from Intellect

If you have the talent Careful Aim, 45% of your intellect is converted into RAP. Once in RAP form it acts in the exact same manner as AP dps, as specified above. All intellect and AP buffing talents increase this and are included in the calculations.


I hope this has been helpful to explain how the dps is being calculated and you aren't just getting a random number.

If you would like to discuss the calculations, feel free to hop over to http://stoneform.org to discuss it there, I'm not sure if answering any questions this thread gets will be a possibility.

Last Update:

March 8th, 2007 - Version 1.1.0
The calculator now takes an item's hit rating into consideration. This gets a little complicated as there is a cap on hit rating, and hit has limited usefulness in certain gameplay scenarios. The hit cap is the point where adding more Hit Rating will not increase your dps. Once you hti the cap, more hit rating becomes useless (in theory). You can change the cap to suit yourself. I would suggest a lower cap of about 5% for PVP, although you may want to consider how much damage you do in melee, missing a raptor strike is a HUGE chunk of lost dps in PVP. Feel free to play around with it and get a feel for how a hit cap effects your dps.


March 7th, 2007 - Version 1.0.0
Posted Original Calculator, and Explained Calculations

First, in a legendary Thread...Props to windex my personal dps calculator for years, now its going public and i lose =X

PS DORF POWAH!, STONEFORM!

Nice calculator, some items there I have never heard of =P.

I would be intereseted to see rings / amulet / trinkets as well....activated abilities aside...

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Nice calculator, some items there I have never heard of =P.

I would be intereseted to see rings / amulet / trinkets as well....activated abilities aside...

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Necks, trinkets, rings, and melee weapons will be done before too long. I just need to find the time. however using the calculator will always give you a better result for YOUR stats and I heartily encourage using it instead of the chart.

I have done the math for on use or on proc abilities, but I will likely just keep that to myself since it simply isn't continuous enough and can be quite sporatic. Especially the on use abilities since there is a big difference between using it every 2 minutes and every 3 minutes, or if the boss fight is 3 minutes and 50 seconds long or 4 minutes and 20 seconds long.

very nice man

Much appreciated

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very nice man

Much appreciated

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I figured I might as well share my lonely nights and lazy days worth of hunter math with everyone.

Also: for anyone who has linked to the hunterweapons.jpg (i know it has found its way to the wow europe hunter forum FAQ's, wowwiki, and countless guild forums) should update to include the calculator as it is MUCH more accurate and better and sexy!

Also, note this is only for level 70! I should put that in the original post somewhere.

If anyone who has been running stats mods like Recap that count your miss rate, i would like to know where you are finding the cap to be in end game raids (karazhan, heroics, and beyond).

If you let me know your hit rating and your miss % over an entire raid (2000+ shots if you can). I'm finding around 8 to 9% myself, and this seems to be what a lot of people are saying as well. Send me your numbers either here, at stoneform.org, or email to windex@stoneform.org

Windex is my personal Jesus
Sticky this sucka!

It would be a good idea to incorporate MP5 into the value of each piece of gear.

If you take a look at the www.tkasomething.com you'll see that somebody did some calculations and set dps increase values to each stat. In doing so, it's revealed just how useful MP5 can be. Taking this into account really flips around the quality of the gear you have listed, and would change the order of the pieces.

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It would be a good idea to incorporate MP5 into the value of each piece of gear.

If you take a look at the www.tkasomething.com you'll see that somebody did some calculations and set dps increase values to each stat. In doing so, it's revealed just how useful MP5 can be. Taking this into account really flips around the quality of the gear you have listed, and would change the order of the pieces.

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mp5, like on use items and rotations simply are up to the player. you can't determine a set value of mana used and how valuable mp5 is. depends on your mana pool, buff, how willing you are to invest in consumables, your rotation style, play style, etc. if you use oils and pots strategically, mp5 become much less valuable. I don't make these calculations so anyone who sucks will immediately become good :P I assume if you value such small DPS increases as you can calculate with this, you probably already know the value of non-dps stats (like mp5/hit on pve gear and resilience/stam on pvp gear).

This is bad ass. I thank you.

for some reason, you're leading me to believe that your "DPS" field isn't the paper doll dps shown on the character screen. DPS from a "dps counter" would vary depend on mob level/armor/debuffs/etc.

would be nice if you can add formulas for damage change in steady/multi/arcane shot as well, since different shots scale differently with AP, weapon damage/speed, talents, and ammo.

nice tool and a bump =)

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for some reason, you're leading me to believe that your "DPS" field isn't the paper doll dps shown on the character screen. DPS from a "dps counter" would vary depend on mob level/armor/debuffs/etc.

would be nice if you can add formulas for damage change in steady/multi/arcane shot as well, since different shots scale differently with AP, weapon damage/speed, talents, and ammo.

nice tool and a bump =)

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Yeah, it isn't your paper doll dps because that doesn't include all of your dps and your play style. However your dps is the average damage you do on all your shots, averaged. Yeah it varies, but it is pretty simple to find an average. This accounts for how you play, your own gear, your rotation, etc. The DPS value is actually only used for calculating the value of crits, and all ranged crits get the same bonus and critrate (except arcane shot, an admitted fault, although very minimal), so using the average overall DPS is fair.

The DPS gained could be worked a bit to match raid dps, as of right now, the calculation is kind of a mix between raid and paper doll dps. But as that involves knowing exactly how the player is playing at all times instead of taking an easy to calculate average, i'd rather stick to a constant static dps bonus.

If the DPS numbers aren't exactly what you will see an increase of, they are at least constant throughout all item calculations.. so if you compare the dps calculated of two items, it should be directly proportional to your resulting dps change between the two items.

Maybe i'm too drunk to figure it out, but i can't figure out how touse it. I'll tru again wen i wake up tomorrwo i gues
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Maybe i'm too drunk to figure it out, but i can't figure out how touse it. I'll tru again wen i wake up tomorrwo i gues
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Enter your stats (DPS, Critrate, Ammosack %)
Enter your build by entering 1 or 0 if you have or don't have the talent (i haven't bothered counting partial points into these talents)

Then enter the stats of two items (or just one, doesn't matter) hit calculate and you get the dps.

Could you add functionality to make me good at hunter?

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Could you add functionality to make me good at hunter?

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Absolutely. thats what all those stoneform buttons are there for. click them to win the game, you know that!

anyways,


A little more as to why I feel this method is the most appropriate when compared to equivalent item value - AEP or something similar.

Assumptions.

Assumptions is the key word of AEP and Rotational hunter theory. This means that it is mostly only valid for Long Boss Fights. Now if you are like me, you do a lot more than just kill long continuous boss fights. Even a lot of boss fights don't allow for continuous rotations and immediately void all of that theory for the current scenario.

What i present makes as few assumptions as possible. The dps added purely from stats, and adjusted for all the nuances allows for comparision of the damage output you will see across the board. whether you are PVP'ing, fighting any boss, or trash mob, or whatever else it is people do out there where you want to maximize your damage output. These rating suit all DPS scenarios, with no assumptions to your play style, how you are rotating shots, how good you are with mana, how fruity your night elf is, etc etc...

Having said that I will comment on mana regen. Any good hunter knows it is important, but the key is to remember that it ONLY matters if you would have ran out of mana without it. So if you are potting regularily, using consumables and you don't run out of mana, additional mana regen is COMPLETELY useless. If you don't get any extra shots that you would have otherwise not have had, it has no value at all. This is why giving it a value like in AEP, is a little sketchy. The value of regen is strictly on the matter of boss to boss and varies widely as I'm sure you should know.

On another note, i've done all the calculations to include Hit and weapon skill for your dps now in my own spreadsheets, just need to get around to putting it in the calculator tonight. As i have mentioned before it will be a matter of putting in a Hit CAP (ie: 8.6% for raiding, and a lower % for pvp mostly depending on how much you value your raptor strikes). This will make it more complicated and less intuitive so I might make a simple and an advanced version at some point.



sooo. does anyone even care?

I'm suprised by the lack of interest in such a useful tool... Is this too soon for the hunter crowd? rating items is pretty important for raid dps.