Just a thought..any good pvp useage you had as enh in pvp is going to go out the window with this change effectively you would have to wait every 3 seconds and HOPE for good burst...3 seconds is too long.

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Q u o t e:
I always know how to break the news, cause I rarely candy-coat.

The 3 second cooldown for Windfury is a bug with a fix incoming. This means down-ranking on different weapons will no longer stagger cooldowns. The devs want this bug resolved, as it has been a primary source of unintended Enhancement DPS, which they have seen as excessive. Enhancement DPS has been high in many situations and this is something they want to tone down. When this change goes live, it will lend itself to that end, rather than the devs having to look for direct changes to Enh. DPS. Good chance they will still be watching this aspect of Shaman after the bug fix is implemented.

While I may be sorry to say as much, there you have it.

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And you just helped me make my decision to re-retire my shaman. The only thing I had going for me was DPS as enh. No CC, crappy heals not good enough for heroic and raid instances. I knew I shoulda just started with the rogue.

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And you just helped me make my decision to re-retire my shaman. The only thing I had going for me was DPS as enh. No CC, crappy heals not good enough for heroic and raid instances. I knew I shoulda just started with the rogue.

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man screw pve for a second..this RUINS pvp damage as enhancement.

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And you just helped me make my decision to re-retire my shaman. The only thing I had going for me was DPS as enh. No CC, crappy heals not good enough for heroic and raid instances. I knew I shoulda just started with the rogue.

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Did this just make 2H ench dps viable?

Wow seriously, My windfury procs of MH 1300/500 then OH 500/500 is too much damage.. LOL
And the double procs only happen 2% of the time,
Oh yeah.. that those procs are with the Planar edge and Blue pvp lvl 70 Slow OH weapon...
1200AP and 26% crit
I guess our windfury puts out way to much LEET damage.. compared to mages/warlocks/warriors/rogues..
Mages do crit frostbolts of 4k a shot.. i dunno about you but that is a huge burst amount of damage in a 2 sec. cast, it is 2 sec right? and pyroblasts for 5k+ Mortal strikes for 2500-3000 on my w/o a shield, hunter aimed shots for 3000. Our DPS is far superior to those classes in equal gear. I run with great gear and have constant fully buffed windfury procs of 1500-1600 on mobs in instances, and i don't come close to any DPS class damage over a fight. Our rogue still uses thunderfury and a lvl 70 blue fist weapon i think still and blows my dps out of the water.. hardcore

If I understand correctly, the ability to downrank WF for the OH weapon is a bug and we won't be able to use it after the patch to get around the 3 second cooldown. (Not that it matters to me right now since I only have 1 rank, but I was kind of hoping to try this down the road.)

:(

On a positive note: it might be harder to steal aggro from the tank by just WFing our way up the threat list. :)

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man screw pve for a second..this RUINS pvp damage as enhancement.

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Like I said, DPS was the only ting we had going. Screw em both.

This is sad news...


Our dps in PVP is TERRIBLE. There are rarely ANY enhancement shamans in the top teams for 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5. The only thing running for shaman was the hope of a windfury spree and now thats over. The enhancement shaman is now the WORST pvp class/spec in the game. I would say no doubt.

Time to reroll to something that can pvp and dps.

Blizzard what are you doing? I swear they pull this stuff out of a hat.

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Q u o t e:
I always know how to break the news, cause I rarely candy-coat.

The 3 second cooldown for Windfury is a bug with a fix incoming. This means down-ranking on different weapons will no longer stagger cooldowns. The devs want this bug resolved, as it has been a primary source of unintended Enhancement DPS, which they have seen as excessive. Enhancement DPS has been high in many situations and this is something they want to tone down. When this change goes live, it will lend itself to that end, rather than the devs having to look for direct changes to Enh. DPS. Good chance they will still be watching this aspect of Shaman after the bug fix is implemented.

While I may be sorry to say as much, there you have it.

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Lets review.
1)Shaman find out there is a hidden 3sec cooldown on windfury.
2)Shaman ask about it, hoping to see the cooldown reduced.
3)Rather than lower the cooldown, they put all ranks on the same cooldown, preventing us from bypassing the cooldown by downgrading our abilities.
/cry
When people reported the windfury "Bug" i don't think they meant the part about staggering cooldowns, i think they meant the fact that the cooldown existed at all and we were never told about it.

This is not directed at you Tseric, i know you're just the bearer of bad news...

Crap.

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The 3 second cooldown is supposed to be there.

Yes, the off-hand is supposed to share the cooldown.

The down-ranking and circumvention of the full 3 second cooldown was something causing extra DPS, as you gain more procs overall in the same time-frame.

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so your saying....the shaman class now serves no purpose in PvE or PvP situations...I see

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And you just helped me make my decision to re-retire my shaman. The only thing I had going for me was DPS as enh. No CC, crappy heals not good enough for heroic and raid instances. I knew I shoulda just started with the rogue.

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I'm getting the impression that the devs' intent is to lower the population of druids and shamans across the servers. With a feral druid as my main, I'm very upset with upcoming nerfs and was sort of hoping to shift to the shaman instead. Guess I'll level up my priest.

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The 3 second cooldown is supposed to be there.

Yes, the off-hand is supposed to share the cooldown.

The down-ranking and circumvention of the full 3 second cooldown was something causing extra DPS, as you gain more procs overall in the same time-frame.

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then will you fix the tool tip so it doesnt say 20% ?

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Q u o t e:
I always know how to break the news, cause I rarely candy-coat.

The 3 second cooldown for Windfury is a bug with a fix incoming. This means down-ranking on different weapons will no longer stagger cooldowns. The devs want this bug resolved, as it has been a primary source of unintended Enhancement DPS, which they have seen as excessive. Enhancement DPS has been high in many situations and this is something they want to tone down. When this change goes live, it will lend itself to that end, rather than the devs having to look for direct changes to Enh. DPS. Good chance they will still be watching this aspect of Shaman after the bug fix is implemented.

While I may be sorry to say as much, there you have it.

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DPS too high in pve now so ANOTHER WF nerf

No CC or anti CC in the works for PVP

WTF do you want us to do blizzard??????

F U

20 pages of constructive ideas in 24 hours and for what....for you to come in and deliver the nail in the coffin....we already F'in knew about the cooldown from the european CM's and you come in sprinkling "hope" about some meeting...well horray for your help.

So thats what nerf 4 ....or is it now 5 for WF.....

how can people respond this constructively ???????/ tell me how...

Welcome to the Blizzard Post BC switch. You took the bait now its switch time. All that extensive beta dps testing they were doing definatly worked eh. Hybrids we got yo money time to go back to the healbot basement lol.

Thank you for being straight-forward and clear.

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The down-ranking and circumvention of the full 3 second cooldown was something causing extra DPS, as you gain more procs overall in the same time-frame.

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I'm not sure we're talking about the same issue here.

To clarify, there is a separate bug that presents itself when using two different ranks of Windfury. It is possible for a single Windfury proc to hit four (4) times, and up to 8 Windfury hits in a single time frame; a quad proc from each hand.

Are the devs aware of this bug, and have they considered fixing this instead of completely removing the viability of Windfury in our off-hand?

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Q u o t e:
I always know how to break the news, cause I rarely candy-coat.

The 3 second cooldown for Windfury is a bug with a fix incoming. This means down-ranking on different weapons will no longer stagger cooldowns. The devs want this bug resolved, as it has been a primary source of unintended Enhancement DPS, which they have seen as excessive. Enhancement DPS has been high in many situations and this is something they want to tone down. When this change goes live, it will lend itself to that end, rather than the devs having to look for direct changes to Enh. DPS. Good chance they will still be watching this aspect of Shaman after the bug fix is implemented.

While I may be sorry to say as much, there you have it.

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yes!

i love my 2H.


suck it DWers! LOL. :P