Over 3 years and im still waiting. On what? Well lets start by saying there's 60+ server out atm and not a single one is ffa pvp. Why not? That's my question, Blizz why not throw us just 1 free for all pvp server? You guys are banking in the money department and I dont see what harm would come from giving us ( probably 2k + people) what we wanted for years.

And yes it is my joy and will to play when im camped and continually killed by a level 6 when im 1, and knowing ill eventually escape and be able to level come back and wipe him. Fights anywhere at anytime vs anyone. Making guilds for survival purposes. Allying with other guilds, controlling towns. Thats what a fun mmorpg pvp is to me. If you dont like this kind of server feel free to not come in here flaming, you have your oO server so play on it ;) . As for me, limited time on waiting any longer for a ffa or its time to look for a new game that offers it.

Goodbye.

An FFA PVP server is so wrong from a Lore standpoint it doesn't even merit serious discussion.

Yeah I was wondering why when I started a character on a PVP realm about a month or two ago that it wasn't free for all. I was like "so wait, I'm on a PVP server, but I'm safe here and there, but not there, well that ain't PVP, that's carebear."

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that ain't PVP, that's carebear."

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Actully, Carebear is pve because you can run into places of contested territory and not be touched.

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Actully, Carebear is pve because you can run into places of contested territory and not be touched.

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While this is true, that does not mean that PvP servers are any less carebear. PvP in this game is a joke compared to a good number of others.

Is there any plans to do something with the "mad-max" cage in Tanaris?

There should be a free-for-all PvP arena.

Oh, wait, there are more than one already. :)

Asherons call = 1 ffa pvp server, Daoc = 1 ffa pvp server. (only other mmorpgs i played in 8 years) World of Warcraft = Largest mmorpg on the market = 0 ffa pvp servers. Thats 100 percent shocking.

I've lost from my ac guild and daoc guild over 50 people i've come to know over 8 years simply because We all love WoW however they couldnt handle non ffa pvp.

For me it's like this. WoW pvp servers = Your a karate student right, you go to a tournament or arena with your fighting gear on, someone says fight. You hit the person 3 times they say stop the fights over your the winner, here's a nice ribbon/trophy for ya.
Later that night your walking downt he street and a punk starts a fight with you, you relentlessy bash him till he falls to the floor bloody. As you goto sleep that night which would be more satisfying, knowing you punched someone 3 times or completely obliterated someone where anything could have happened.

And ya there's pvp zones in WoW, whats that mean? im alliance so i goto the horde side and sit there looking at one of them till they decide to fight me. Or goto a contested zone only thing thats slightly fullfilling. But eh if im victorious enough they'll just head to there side of the land. gg

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Here are a couple of reasons off the top of my head.

Historically speaking, in the MMO market, FFA realms do not build and hold a player base as weel as a standard rule set. People get frustrated and that hostility plays itself out in a number of ways. Increased CS workload, quitting, etc. There have been some good articles on the web about this sort of thing and its limited successes.

Another reason, more specific to this game, is that it would require support of different coding at this point. Effectively, we would have to support two different clients, because of the changing of the ruleset between one and the other. Coupled with the above reason, we haven't seen anything in terms of demand that would balance out the cost necessary to make this supportable.

Not to say it will never happen or that we don't still consider it, but those are the chips as they lie at this time.

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Would it take different coding to make a new pvp server then imply it as a contested zone through the whole land?

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Here are a couple of reasons off the top of my head.

FFA realms do not build and hold a player base as weel as a standard rule set.

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CM Typo ALERT

WEEEOOOO WEEEEOOOOOOOO.

That is all.

If I were on your FFA PvP server, I'd gank you right as we were about to pull a boss in some instance. Then I'd giggle, apologize profusely, wait for everybody to re-buff and get ready for the next pull.........and gank you again.

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Asherons call = 1 ffa pvp server, Daoc = 1 ffa pvp server. (only other mmorpgs i played in 8 years) World of Warcraft = Largest mmorpg on the market = 0 ffa pvp servers. Thats 100 percent shocking.

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Data Manipulation is fun!

I could argue WoW > Asherons call + Daoc
Therefore
0 FFA pvp server > 1 FFA pvp sserver

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Here are a couple of reasons off the top of my head.

Historically speaking, in the MMO market, FFA realms do not build and hold a player base as weel as a standard rule set. People get frustrated and that hostility plays itself out in a number of ways. Increased CS workload, quitting, etc. There have been some good articles on the web about this sort of thing and its limited successes.

Another reason, more specific to this game, is that it would require support of different coding at this point. Effectively, we would have to support two different clients, because of the changing of the ruleset between one and the other. Coupled with the above reason, we haven't seen anything in terms of demand that would balance out the cost necessary to make this supportable.

Not to say it will never happen or that we don't still consider it, but those are the chips as they lie at this time.

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I completely agree with the historical points, but on the coding points.

You have the ability to flag an area as "PvP Arena". Why not just make a server where the whole world is flagged "PvP Arena"?

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If I were on your FFA PvP server, I'd gank you right as we were about to pull a boss in some instance. Then I'd giggle, apologize profusely, wait for everybody to re-buff and get ready for the next pull.........and gank you again.

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Sounds like fun, happened to me daily past 8 years nothing new, although im usually the one doing the ganking. However instance zones are group only so i think we would kill the boss ;)

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Historically speaking, in the MMO market, FFA realms do not build and hold a player base as weel as a standard rule set.

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Forget history, live in the now, man. And you're not *really* going to argue that the current PvP servers actually "hold" their population, are you? Because, I mean, come ON...

But seriously, the FFA server in Vanguard is kicking some serious butt. It's a lot of fun to play, there is a growing population, and people *are* figuring out how to make the system actually work (despite huge class imbalances in the game.)

I understand Blizz doesn't want to make extra work for themselves, but I'm pretty sure y'all will start being more "experimental" in the future, as other games start breathing down your collective necks.

imho, Vanguard FFA > WoW at the moment, even with all the bugs and lag.

And we know that *you* know that Warhammer is shaping up to take a chunk out of your pocketbooks.

(In other words, I look forward to playing on a WoW FFA server later this year. ;)

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Goodbye.

An FFA PVP server is so wrong from a Lore standpoint it doesn't even merit serious discussion.

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what a load of crap. There's nothing in the lore currently to support HAVING factions.

If anything the lore would have supported a third faction of Blood Elf, Draenei, Naga and defecting Night Elves.

The lore has been perverted so much to make room for the two new races on each faction it's pathetic.

I would like to see a pve coop server.
They did something like this in DAOC, and it was a lot of fun.
Of course, with both sides now having the identical class types, it looses some of it's appeal.
...Not to mention there are not any zones that are strictly one faction.

I would still like to see it; party with the other faction.