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  • Boulderfist
  • 0. Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:18:40 PM PST
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I'm specifically talking about pvp. Stacking resilience doesnt seem like the best idea for purely offensive classes. I find it kind of annoying that all of the pvp reward rogue armor forces us to have lots of resilience. I would trade every point of the resilience for crit/AP. There should be two arena sets for rogues, to give the option of a more offensive set.

Also, the speed on the arena throwing weapon is garbage. I dont plan to deadly throw once every 1.3 seconds (seeing as how it costs 35 energy and the effect lasts 5 seconds). I would much rather have as slow of a thrown weapon as possible for more damage when I do have to deadly throw.

Just throwin' my frustrations out there.

edit: for any of you who might have reading comprehension as some the first repliers obviously do, I AM A PVPER I PLAN TO PVP AND WOULD PREFER THERE TO BE PVP REWARD SETS WITH OUT RESILIENCE.

Resilience simply does not yield a lot of benefit to a rogue. 5.2% mitigation against a target with 20% crit for 200 points of resilience? no thanks. There are simply a myriad of other ways to deal with/avoid focus fire to where its not worth it to gimp other stats.

[ Post edited by Gylph ]

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  • Lightninghoof
  • 1. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:22:52 PM PST
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Go get the PvE set loaded with AP and see how long you last with 7000 HP, then come back. I have a feeling you would have changed your mind by then.

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  • Tichondrius
  • 2. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:22:59 PM PST
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1.3 Thrown are for killing afk horde.
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  • Anetheron
  • 3. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:34:50 PM PST
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Ok. But have fun being assist-trained down in 3 seconds by any halfway competent team.
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  • Blackrock
  • 4. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:39:51 PM PST
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He just wants to get banged on.
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  • 5. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:41:15 PM PST
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Yea you're pretty dumb. The PvP set is made for PvPers, and PvPers use resilience to survive in PvP. If you want crit/AP, get tier 4. All of the PvP sets have resilience.

There is no real life, only AFK.
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  • Boulderfist
  • 6. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:43:16 PM PST
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Go get the PvE set loaded with AP and see how long you last with 7000 HP, then come back. I have a feeling you would have changed your mind by then.


You completely missed my point that If i want a purely offensive set, I should be able to do it by pvping. What in hell does 7000 hp have to do with whether or not a set has resilience? Take all the resilience off of the current arena set, take the same itemlevel worth of stats and put it into crit/ap/agility. Obviously you have either reading comprehension issues, or are just poor at constructing counter-arguments.

Q u o t e:
Ok. But have fun being assist-trained down in 3 seconds by any halfway competent team.

Actually, I very rarely ever get targeted and when I do theres a myriad of ways to deal with it besides blowing tons of stats on meager damage mitigation. Theres another post floating around with some math behind resilience. The thread concluded something like 5.2% mitigation against a target with 20% crit at TWO HUNDRED resilience.
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  • 7. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:47:12 PM PST
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I have to agree with swift, the pvp set is made for pvpers not for outside use. Even the last pvp set wasnt that great for pve compared to others. I sugest getting tier 4 then enchanting everything up.

How deep do you believe, will you bight the hand that feeds, will you chew until it bleeds, Can u get up off your knees, are you brave enough to see? do you want to change it?
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  • Boulderfist
  • 8. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:47:39 PM PST
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Yea you're pretty dumb. The PvP set is made for PvPers, and PvPers use resilience to survive in PvP. If you want crit/AP, get tier 4. All of the PvP sets have resilience.

Actually, youre pretty dumb seeing as how what you just posted supports the very thing ive been arguing. All of the pvp rewards including the new Rank 13 armor sets, and the arena sets give an assload of resilience. One should be able to acquire non resilience based sets through pvp. Secondly, stacking resilience is very much in opposition to the idea and role of rogues. In a 5 on 5 Having signifigantly better capability to drop one target immediately has much more worth than a measly percentage of unreliable mitigation. Resilience can really be well worth it for any kind of defensive class, shamans, priests, paladins etc, but is not necessary or really that helpful to rogues in pvp.
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  • Boulderfist
  • 9. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:49:21 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
I have to agree with swift, the pvp set is made for pvpers not for outside use. Even the last pvp set wasnt that great for pve compared to others. I sugest getting tier 4 then enchanting everything up.
I am a pvper. I am a skilled pvper. I do not plan to stack resilience as a rogue. It is ridiculous that as a pvper I am forced to stack resilience that I feel is an unneeded and relatively useless stat as a rogue.
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  • 10. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:50:15 PM PST
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I accepted a long time ago that as a rogue, I am going to die. No matter what. I might as well deal out as much damage before I do so. So why not give us 2 sets? I have stealth to keep me alive long enough to kill who ever I want, wich WILL be the healer of the other group. So once thats done, I'm pretty much dead. No matter how much health I have.

I love how as I'm getting dotted for 400+ damage every 2 seconds the warlock is screaming at me from the VERY far distance he just feared me "YOU NEED A NERF!"
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  • Stormscale
  • 11. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:52:00 PM PST
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Just an fyi: Dead rogues don't do any damage.

Don't fear the Reaver
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  • Boulderfist
  • 12. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:54:56 PM PST
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Just an fyi: Dead rogues don't do any damage.
read my edit. Resilience isnt the sole factor that keeps a rogue from dying, nor does it do it all that well.
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  • 13. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 05:57:07 PM PST
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Neither do rogues being rooted/feared/polyd/blind/stunlocked/frozen/disarmed/ attack power less. So just hand out 2 sets, if you dont want one then get the other. I'd rather do 1k+ more damage then live for 2 more seconds while rooted/feared/polyd/blinded/stunlocked/frozen/disarmed/ attackpowerless.

Its like picking wether you want to be a vegetable for the rest of your life or if you want them to just pull the plug and that your worst enemy will die along with you

I love how as I'm getting dotted for 400+ damage every 2 seconds the warlock is screaming at me from the VERY far distance he just feared me "YOU NEED A NERF!"
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  • 14. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 06:00:05 PM PST
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I'd rather have stamina than resilience.

I'm all for Epic travel form. Also, they should get 2-way portals, the ability to wear plate, stronger ranged attacks involving lasers, mind control and a 200% speed increase in caster form.
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  • Boulderfist
  • 15. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 06:00:55 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
I'd rather have stamina than resilience.
completely agree
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  • 16. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 06:01:57 PM PST
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where is ming when you need him?

Fix me
And don't touch me
So I can get my

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  • Kil'jaeden
  • 17. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 06:05:54 PM PST
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simply a myriad of



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  • Cenarion Circle
  • 18. Re: Booooo to our Arena armor set   02/20/2007 06:06:09 PM PST
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I plan on getting the entire set and I'm approaching it like this: "I have 5 pieces of armor to keep me alive and I can dedicate the rest of my slots and enchants to making clothies weep."

But I realize there are some people out there who forgot that armor is actually made to protect you and they just see them as wonky +damage slots.
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