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0.7 Shield Slam -- How it Scales
Shield Slam provides the largest scaling available to the Protection Warrior. It is affected by all increases in damage, including One-Handed Specialization, Enrage, Deathwish, and Impale.

The basic equation is:
(BD * (SBV *1.3)) * 1.1

Where BD is Base Damage and SBV is Shield Block Value.
1.3 Represents Shield Mastery 30% Damage Increase
1.1 Represents One-Handed Specialization 10% Damage Increase


The following represents math to maximize Shield Slam damage to it's potential with talents:

(BD * (SBV * 1.3)) * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.25 * 2 = Enrage/Deathwish Critical Strike Value
(BD * (SBV *1.3)) * 1.1 * 2.2 = Impale Critical Strike Value
(BD * (SBV *1.3)) * 1.1 * 2 = Normal Critical Strike

1.2 Represents Deathwish 20% Damage Increase
1.25 Represents Enrage 25% Damage Increase
2 Represents Normal Critical Strike Multiplier
2.2 Represents Critical Strike Multiplier modified by Impale

For example, an average Rank 6 Shield Slam will deal 430 Base Damage. Let's assume 750 Shield Block Value. With enrage, this would look something like:
(430 + (750 * 1.3) * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.25 * 2
(430 + 975) * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.25 * 2

1405 * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.25 * 2 = 4636 Shield Slam Crit (Enrage/Deathwish)
1405 * 1.1 * 2.2 = 3400 Shield Slam Crit (Impale)
1405 * 1.1 * 2 = 3091 Normal Shield Slam Crit

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So is it additive or multiplicative?

<edit>In all your listed formula's you use (BD * (SBV *1.3)), but in your example you use (BD + (SBV *1.3))

It should be additive. Nice catch pointing that out.

He calculated the example correctly, but the formula is wrong.

Shield Slam damage is the Base Damage from the ability plus (Shield Block Value multiplied by 1.3 for Shield Mastery).

Hence:

(BD + (SBV*1.3))

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So is it additive or multiplicative?

<edit>In all your listed formula's you use (BD * (SBV *1.3)), but in your example you use (BD + (SBV *1.3))

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Nasty typo. When I ran Devastate numbers, I made the same mistake of posting a slightly different (and inaccurate) equation than the one actually being used. It's fairly common sense, because we aren't getting 100,000k shield slams. =p I'll edit that right now.

Would be nice to see this information stacked into the original tanking guide, and the whole thing re-posted. I'm all about other people doing my research for me, though. ;)

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6. Spell Reflect will reflect or negate most single-target spells. It will reflect the single target aspect of some spell volleys, such as Shadowbolt Volley. It will not reflect pure AOE skills, such as Frost Nova.

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Just a note on this: I've seen my combat log report a reflect of an AoE spell before, if memory serves it was a Blast Wave. I was in a tough fight at the time and couldn't verify the result, but the not-AoE thing needs more checking. Obviously it isn't working in most cases but may work in some.

If memory serves, the Blast Wave was from a riftlord in the Black Morass.

bump

nice job

Thanks for the new guide, Ciderhelm.

I just want to take this space to say... I don't post on or read the warrior forums much. They tend to be depressing, and whiners are prevalent, especially these days. Raid tanking and seeing the new druid tanks got me burned out on tanking.

Then I read your guide again, the old one and this new stuff, and it made me remember why I took up tanking in the first place.

Basically, I can't say thanks enough for rekindling my interest in being the one holding the front line, the one man between the monster and the guild, and indeed, for getting me into it in the first place.

/salute

Once again, thank you Ciderhelm for a great guide!

Sticky this please.


Spart

Awesome guide! I had been hoping to find something as comprehensive as this, and it is perfect.

I have one question about this though:

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0.6.3 Fury
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Improved Intercept greatly increases the chance that you will wind up somewhere you didn't mean to go.

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I've never had the Improved Intercept ability, but was planning on speccing into it once I hit 70. Is this actually true, or is it sarcarm? If you meant to state that Intercept has a general problem of not bringing you to somewhere you meant to go, fair enough, but I wouldn't believe that the Improved Intercept talent actually worsens this effect without specific evidence.

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Awesome guide! I had been hoping to find something as comprehensive as this, and it is perfect.

I have one question about this though:


I've never had the Improved Intercept ability, but was planning on speccing into it once I hit 70. Is this actually true, or is it sarcarm? If you meant to state that Intercept has a general problem of not bringing you to somewhere you meant to go, fair enough, but I wouldn't believe that the Improved Intercept talent actually worsens this effect without specific evidence.

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The more you use it, the greater the chance. It's a joke. :-) I might word it more obviously.

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Dear Cider,

I looked at your CTprofile and you were wearing the Bulwark of Kings breastplate. As an armorsmith I can also make teh bulwark, but the stats are different. Yours has defense and mine has crit. I looked around and I can not figure out where you got that thing.

If I can't figure out how to get that sexy breastplate, I am going to cry.

-Stumblebum

p.s. Thanks for teaching me how to tank

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CTProfiles is having issues (hence it isn't linked in my signature anymore). I have +Defense and +Sta gems in the Bulwark. That's what is showing incorrectly. That and... pretty much every piece of gear with sockets or anything CTProfiles could read wrong when importing.


//edit: Have made some significant changes to the current posts to reflect more information that will be important to someone, hopefully. Thanks to Falka for the post regarding Thunderclap which allowed me to slightly expand the Innate Threat table.

I am amazed at how much of the last two editions has had to be completely re-written or updated. This is, for the most part, a good thing, although gone are the days when there was a "normal" gearing path to discuss in detail. :-p

Will be back to some hopefully big updates on the macros and keybinds tomorrow.

Thanks for the guide Cider. Let's see if we can't get this thing stickied.

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The more you use it, the greater the chance. It's a joke. :-) I might word it more obviously.

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Ah, that's what I thought. But yeah, please change the wording because it can be confusing to noobs like me :)

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0.5 Threat & Threat Values

Mage (Frost Channelling) ____________ 70% (0.7) Multiplicative

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i just wanted to point out that post patch 2.0 this is incorrect. they changed the threat reduction to 10% and the same is true of the burning soul talent, which you did not put on here.

excellent read, good read for any class imo

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Just a note on this: I've seen my combat log report a reflect of an AoE spell before, if memory serves it was a Blast Wave. I was in a tough fight at the time and couldn't verify the result, but the not-AoE thing needs more checking. Obviously it isn't working in most cases but may work in some.

If memory serves, the Blast Wave was from a riftlord in the Black Morass.

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I concur here--incidentally my noticing of reflecting an AoE spell happened in the Black Morass as well, though i believe it was something like an Arcane Explosion instead. But I definitely reflected the part that hit me, and would assume that it still hit some of the other people in my party. Unfortunately, because of the lack of information you get in your combat log regarding this ability it's hard to draw any final conclusions.

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What is important to note about the above table is that any positive gains to threat are always additive, not multiplicative. For instance, if you are in Defensive Stance with Defiance, you produce 45% more Threat from your abilities as opposed to 49.5% more Threat. Multiplicative threat specifically applies only to reductions in threat.

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Has this been confirmed behavior for Defiance? My tests showed that the additive nature was true for a Druid with Feral Instinct, but I haven't seen any data to fully confirm that Defiance must also be additive.

Once we can prove it, then we'll need to get Kenco to update his threat mod, and all the corresponding static values. ;)