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  • 200. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 10:27:52 AM PST
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Wow. K K K is filtered?

That's pretty sad.

Regardless... keep this bumped.
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  • Khaz'goroth
  • 201. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 10:30:34 AM PST
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If i had to guess cider canceled his account and that caused the un-sticky similar to getting banned will cause a sticky to be un-stickied. Still it should be stuck again.

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  • Tichondrius
  • 202. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 11:03:05 AM PST
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Resticky pls
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  • 203. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 01:39:40 PM PST
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I have far too much respect for Ciderhelm and his hard work to just watch this thread die. For the greater good, please resticky this.

/salute to Ciderhelm again

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Fortifications and Hold the Line - The guides that shaped me into the tank I am by Ciderhelm: http://www.eventideguild.com/guide/
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  • 204. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 02:32:36 PM PST
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This was a very educational post by Ciderhelm and I appreciate his time in making it.


Q u o t e:
Sunder Armor ________________________ 301


Does this mean that each of my sunders is only applying 301 threat? As in a melee player would only have to do 332 damage to pull aggro from me?


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  • Staghelm
  • 205. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 02:42:17 PM PST
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This was a very educational post by Ciderhelm and I appreciate his time in making it.



Does this mean that each of my sunders is only applying 301 threat? As in a melee player would only have to do 332 damage to pull aggro from me?





Pretty sure that's base threat before applicable multipliers are factored in
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  • Destromath
  • 206. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 02:46:47 PM PST
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someone copy pasta this and get it stickied since ciderhelm left ;_; dont forget to credit him

If X>1500: Y = 2894/(1+259*e^(-0.0025*X))
Else: Y = 0.206*X+99

didnt pass algebra? GTFO my arena!
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  • 207. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 05:11:25 PM PST
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I have far too much respect for Ciderhelm and his hard work to just watch this thread die. For the greater good, please resticky this.

/salute to Ciderhelm again


back from the back 'cos this is true....

need more rage...

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  • 208. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 05:17:03 PM PST
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sticky, please...
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  • 210. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 08:27:08 PM PST
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Don't let this thread die...
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  • 211. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 09:08:33 PM PST
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back from the back 'cos this is true....


I put in a sticky request a few hours ago, it seems to have worked :)

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Fortifications and Hold the Line - The guides that shaped me into the tank I am by Ciderhelm: http://www.eventideguild.com/guide/
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  • Rexxar
  • 212. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/09/2007 09:08:49 PM PST
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Win.

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  • 213. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/10/2007 04:24:50 PM PST
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I put in a sticky request a few hours ago, it seems to have worked :)


yeah so did I & no doubt a lot of others... ;)

now Blue stick Theesa's and others...

need more rage...

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  • 214. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/10/2007 11:20:59 PM PST
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Resilience came up briefly in the thread, and the Warrior's response was "Since you're going to have 490 Def anyways, Resilience is redundant and shouldn't be picked up." That's fine for Warriors, and my own Warrior will pay attention as he itemizes, but right now I'm tanking with a Bear. I haven't been able to find this piece of information anywhere, and I'm hoping I won't get thrown out for asking:

In the guide, you explain the 490 number by attempting to pick up 5% crit reduction from a level 73 baseline. What is the actual bonus in terms of chance to crit that a level 73 mob gets against a level 70 tank? Is it simply 0.6%, as the 15 defense skill would imply?

I'm looking to push critical strikes off the combat table using Resilience for the druid, and I'm just trying to figure out the Bear goal. I'm hoping I don't have to pay for dodge-parry-block in itemization if I'm only using the dodge.
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  • Earthen Ring
  • 215. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/11/2007 02:40:08 PM PDT
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200 resiliance will do the samge job as 490 defense. For warriors def is supreme cause of the other bonuses to your stats but if you were to do it purely with resilance 200 is your majic number to wipe out crits from mobs.

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  • Frostmane
  • 216. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/13/2007 04:55:33 PM PDT
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i dont understand why you would even bother with resilience then...+def gives you the extra dodge/block/parry as well.

If X>1500: Y = 2894/(1+259*e^(-0.0025*X))
Else: Y = 0.206*X+99

didnt pass algebra? GTFO my arena!
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  • Burning Legion
  • 218. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/15/2007 05:33:39 PM PDT
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Great thread, the only thing i disagree with is that block negates crits and crushing blows. I know you will never see text in your combat log that reads (blocked)(crushing) simply because that line of text does not exist, however you will still take many HITS with (xamount blocked) that are more then twice the damage of the normal hits from the same mob. The only explination for these kind of hits is that they ARE crushing blows that have been blocked.
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  • Spirestone
  • 219. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   03/17/2007 04:57:18 AM PDT
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Great thread, the only thing i disagree with is that block negates crits and crushing blows. I know you will never see text in your combat log that reads (blocked)(crushing) simply because that line of text does not exist, however you will still take many HITS with (xamount blocked) that are more then twice the damage of the normal hits from the same mob. The only explination for these kind of hits is that they ARE crushing blows that have been blocked.


No. I'm almost 100% sure that it is an intended mechanic that a crit or crushing blow does not occur at the same time as a block. If you think you've seen differently, perhaps some armor potion or buff wore off (devotion aura, inspiration, stoneshield pot, etc.) or the boss enraged, or the damage was otherwise intended to spike.
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