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  • 80. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 10:48:15 AM PST
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Once your armor values start sinking into DR, it's much more valuable to stack avoidance and health to allow you to survive burst/spike damage and require less overall healing. Even that isn't entirely true, since there are fights with excessive stuns or huge damage attacks where armor is valuable. The point is often made moot by the fact that the top end items happen to offer the most of all of these values. I suggest hanging on to items with exceptionally high stats for any given tanking area for use in individual fights. Learn how the mechanics work and play smart.


I dont quite see how this makes sense. How can AC make burst/spike damage worse off then avoidance? If anything avoidance makes damage even more spiky.

Let us say that a mob has a 2s attack for 5K regular and 10K crit.

In a 200s you get hit 100 times. At 5% crit rate and ignoring base dodge/miss(lump then in with total avoidance), lets compare 50% DR from AC to 50% DR from avoidance. You cant get 0% AC or 0% avoidance but this will illustrate the point.

50 % reduction from AC will save you the same amount of healing over this time as 50% avoidance.

50% AC
95 attacks for 2.5K damage
5 attacks for 5K damage

50% avoidance
50 attacks that done land
25 attacks for 5K damage
5 attacks for 10K damage.

If you were to make a graph plotting incoming hits on a time vs damage axis you would clearly see that dodge, parry, defense, hit avoidance rating and resiliense make the damage more spiky (the sum of the mean square distance you capture this nicely for those mathematically inclined individuals in the audience) while AC is the stat that smooths things out.

The new AC curve is a bit nuts to climb ou now, but that is a different arguement.

Tank gear guide.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60768374&sid=1&pageNo=1

Tank talent guide
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=76847921&postId=768509936&si
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  • 81. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 11:15:21 AM PST
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bumping this awesome guide

- the signal of the hunter is as a great arrow of destination above your head that means the risk imminent
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  • Chromaggus
  • 82. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 11:53:56 AM PST
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Ciderhelm for prez!

Great, excellent guide. I plan on looking through this a lot more. It answered a lot of questions I've had.

The sexy GM of <Demise>
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  • 83. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 12:15:14 PM PST
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Reported for Sticky.

Ciderhelm once again, a fantastic read.

Would you... sign my shield?

-Gardek
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  • Suramar
  • 84. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 12:21:02 PM PST
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Awesome guide.

But you forgot to add a disclaimer saying to only pick a warrior for tanking if you hate having a bear's ass being shown on your computer.

lol sadly, qft

Improved Disarm 3/3
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  • Archimonde
  • 85. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/15/2007 12:53:52 PM PST
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Had a question about Figurine of the Colassus.

The effect on it is a 120 health heal every time you block while its active for 20 seconds. 2 minute reuse. I would think it would generate 60 unadjusted threat for every block... but is that split between all mobs hitting you or 60 threat for each mob you are in combat with?

If its for each mob I wouldn't think it would take that many blocks to equal or surpass the threat of say imp thunderclap and not be limited to just 4 targets.
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  • Spirestone
  • 86. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/16/2007 01:49:27 PM PST
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Excellent post, thank you for making this.

/bump
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  • 87. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/16/2007 02:24:27 PM PST
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Dammit Cider, I hate your guides...

...because they're so good I spend so much time reading them that I end up being late with whatever I have to do!
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  • 88. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/16/2007 02:37:08 PM PST
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I dont quite see how this makes sense. How can AC make burst/spike damage worse off then avoidance? If anything avoidance makes damage even more spiky.


Sorry if I was unclear. It's health that increases your burst survival, it's avoidance that decreases the damage you take over time. Armor accomplishes both of these things but with diminishing returns. For general tanking gear, you want enough health to survive the hits you'll be taking and put the rest into whatever will make you take the least damage over the course of the fight. If you're choosing between an armor trinket and a parry trinket, just look at the mitigation/avoidance both afford you.
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  • 89. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/17/2007 04:47:04 PM PST
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/reported ;)

lets hope Blue revise whatever their warrior sticking guide is and stick this...


Q u o t e:
.....

News: The next major section of this guide is on Keybinds and Macros.


saw your post in the 2.0 warrior macro thread... if that macro is any indication of what you're going to do here, then more power to you. using macros like that to maximise our abilities and gear is exactly why we need them. feel free to use any of them ;)

need more rage...

warrior macros http://tinyurl.com/y34vxt
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  • Spirestone
  • 90. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/18/2007 03:25:29 PM PST
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/bump

Let's try to keep informative posts like this on the front page. Seeing nothing but doom and gloom whenever coming here isn't particularly enjoyable.
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  • Smolderthorn
  • 91. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/19/2007 11:06:11 PM PST
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one of the better posts i've read in a long time, nice work
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  • Feathermoon
  • 92. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 10:56:06 AM PST
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This finally got a sticky? Wow, took some time, guess they're starting to pay attention to the forum.
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  • 93. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 10:56:31 AM PST
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  • 94. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:07:50 AM PST
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Keep the updates coming!


Tseric, can you take a look at some of the ideas from Mayniak's Warrior Talent Review v1.5.

I posted them in the Suggestions forums as well, but after 1 day they shot down 10 pages =(

My first 'First!'

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Tseric
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  • 95. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:13:56 AM PST
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Tseric, can you take a look at some of the ideas from Mayniak's Warrior Talent Review v1.5.

I posted them in the Suggestions forums as well, but after 1 day they shot down 10 pages =(

My first 'First!'

We are legally bound to not respond to or endorse suggestions. I hope you can understand this particular obligation. There is a distinct difference between feedback and suggestions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3y7f6TbOg
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  • 96. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:15:19 AM PST
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We are legally bound to not respond to or endorse suggestions. I hope you can understand this particular obligation. There is a distinct difference between feedback and suggestions.


I see. Well sorry to put you at risk, I just thought some of the ideas could be forwarded to the devs. Thanks for the response =)
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  • 97. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:16:53 AM PST
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I see. Well sorry to put you at risk, I just thought some of the ideas could be forwarded to the devs. Thanks for the response =)

Not saying they can't be, but you'll just never hear of it. ;)

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  • Bonechewer
  • 98. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:20:17 AM PST
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Nice to have some new stickies =)

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  • 99. Re: Fortifications -- A Warrior Reference Gui   02/21/2007 11:21:30 AM PST
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Not saying they can't be, but you'll just never hear of it. ;)


=)

I'm done trolling now though, I'm just giddy its like a 3 minute text convo w/ a CM. Never felt so loved before...

I need to get out more o.O
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