Twinking is stupid. Players who spend hundreds of gold to enchant their gear are stupid. What's stupider is for a level 10 - 19 twink to get enough honor and tokens for about 3 or 4 pieces of gear (which, compared to the enchants, are a weak stat upgrade) because it takes approximately 2 to 7 days to get that accomplished (depending on how much a twink plays...which is usually 24/7). The stupidest thing would be for twinks to waste anymore time with that particular bracket after they've finished getting the desired gear as it's a waste of time and the honor gaining is incredibly low. If they DO stick around it's only because they get their kicks, however shallow they might be, one or two or three shotting the opposing faction. That kind of behavior shows just how stupid twinks are.

So, for all I care, twinks can waste their money and their time in the low level bg brackets while I level and get really cool looking gear while they're stuck with lame skinned lvl 19 gear. The only thing that saddens me is when new players enter the bg only to find themselves being constantly one or two shotted by their enemies...scratching their heads, wondering how this is happening to them. That's pretty ignorant and thoughtless, Blizz.

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Seems to me someone doesn't want to put in the effort into getting equipment ... or money ... or materials to make equipment ... or higher level friends ... or friends that'll do some instancing with ... or getting to a higher level, rounding up some good equipment and using it on a low level alternate character ... seriously, looks like someone is trying to justify being lazy and introverted.

I wholeheartedly accept twinking. When i get floored by a twink i say "Wow! Thats scary and awesome, i should totally get equipment like that!" ... all i hear the OP saying is "Q__Q my inferior armour doesnt match up to theirs, clearly they're cheating"

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Except, I level through the brackets and don't stay in one bracket for an extensive period of time. Thus, it would be a complete waste of money for me. It just sucks that PVPing in the lower brackets is largely pointless without twink enchants.

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If I were to get lucky and find two blue pieces, a couple really nice greens, and someone was nice enough to give me a couple enchants for free, should I then have to restrict myself from entering the battlegrounds as I know other players may not be on the same level gear-wise?

Obviously there's a moral difference between getting lucky and feeding achievements, but we then can't exactly police or put regulations strictly on a person's morals unless they're breaking the rules. It might border on shady, but minimizing gray areas is important in this regard and it isn't crossing any lines.

I also know there to be players that engage in these practices for specific encounters against other characters/groups/guilds that are attempting to achieve the same ends. They enjoy the limitations of the characters at lower levels, the quest to find the perfect items, and matching their skill against similar opponents. Now do they make up the majority? I could with almost certainty say no, they're probably mostly players who have found an outlet for them to remove most of the challenge from PvP and ensure their victory far more often. It's a mentality that I think many of them will find they will grow out of, or when dealing with the cause of this type of need to feel superior, will move on and begin to enjoy the limitations and challenges games provide.

In any case, the battleground matching system is currently still on target for release with the next major content patch. The system is intended to match players by gear and organization, and while it's not going to perfectly match all teams so that you'll never see a twink or premade again, it should work towards separating players fairly well.

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I agree. There is not much Blizzard can do to retroactively fix the issue besides making the gear-matching system. Looking back on events, I think Blizzard probably wished they put level requirements on enchants as that would solve the issue.

However, these are just my opinions and don't really do anything now.

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If I were to get lucky and find two blue pieces, a couple really nice greens, and someone was nice enough to give me a couple enchants for free, should I then have to restrict myself from entering the battlegrounds as I know other players may not be on the same level gear-wise?

Obviously there's a moral difference between getting lucky and feeding achievements, but we then can't exactly police or put regulations strictly on a person's morals unless they're breaking the rules. It might border on shady, but minimizing gray areas is important in this regard and it isn't crossing any lines.

I also know there to be players that engage in these practices for specific encounters against other characters/groups/guilds that are attempting to achieve the same ends. They enjoy the limitations of the characters at lower levels, the quest to find the perfect items, and matching their skill against similar opponents. Now do they make up the majority? I could with almost certainty say no, they're probably mostly players who have found an outlet for them to remove most of the challenge from PvP and ensure their victory far more often. It's a mentality that I think many of them will find they will grow out of, or when dealing with the cause of this type of need to feel superior, will move on and begin to enjoy the limitations and challenges games provide.

In any case, the battleground matching system is currently still on target for release with the next major content patch. The system is intended to match players by gear and organization, and while it's not going to perfectly match all teams so that you'll never see a twink or premade again, it should work towards separating players fairly well.

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And what about the new players, new to pvp and bgs, getting totally crushed by twinks...in turn, ruining their game play experience?

Too bad for them, eh?

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Twinks are overrated. Even on my non-twink hunter, I can eat rogue and warrior twinks in the lowbie brackets. Suck less, and l2p?

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Hunter's have advantage due to range, it's possible to kite lowbie warriors/rogues which are the top 2 classes to twink, near indefinately. No other class has that option. My non-twinked hunter can kill twinks rather easily, as my priest of a similar level, non-twinked cant survive 3 seconds. So it's not an issue of l2p. It's a matter of class "imbalance" esp when said 2 classes don't have the arsenal to close the gap. So don't be an ass.

Does "gear and organization" include enchants? Because if not, you'll just see twink in greens with twice the hitpoints they're "supposed" to have, steamrolling the non-twinks again. Despite what you might think about "seeking a challenge" or "trying to be the best," most twinks play to steamroll, nothing more. Be sure to look for every possible route for them to keep doing this, and adjust the matching system accordingly.

this was a long time ago but i sat in on my friend doing a Warsong gulch match on his alliance char. oh man it was hillarious the entire horde team had firey enchant. needless to say my buddies team lost but man was it hilarious. and i dont not mind twinks its more satisfying seeing them die when people realize they are twinks and gang up on them.

If you are only pvping in the 10-19, or any twink range for a few games while you pass by that level what right do you have to complain? These people find it the most fun to play and shouldn't be bothered. Some would say it's the best range because it's the most balanced (class balance). Before everyone starts getting heavy talents, and moves that really seperate classes.

You know, Drysc, you disappoint me. You must be having an off day today because I usually expect more from you.

Each and every player in this forum has the exact same oppurtunity to twink their equipment out as anyone playing this game does. Maybe some players get lucky by finding rare drops and maybe they spent hours playing the game to find it or even purchase it. But that's what people, especially in America, just hate to see happen. You work hard or become lucky to make yourself the best and meanwhile, everyone else out there just hates you for it.

Drysc, you say that "twinking" yourself out so that you are powerful is morally wrong. Give me a break. You yourself could go out and do the same thing. I could spend a week doing it myself. Is it within the rules to do this? Yes, it is. Is the point of Battlegrounds to win? Yes, it is. As long as you're not breaking the rules, a twink is fine. If it takes others a little longer to kill that player, maybe it will encourage others to make themselves more powerful. Are you trying to tell everyone that a baseball teams who practices longer and harder and wins their games should be disenfranchised because they're good? That's what your responses here lead me to believe.

My blood elf was level 19 on Saturday. I have some green items that were quest rewards and a pair of boots that I bought off the Auction House. Would you believe that after playing a few games of WSG that I was accused of being a twink? Yeah, a 19 level mage with no enchantments, two gold to her name, a 5 / 5 Fire / Ice spec cloth wearing mage. And that's a twink. Meanwhile, my 60 level warrior, who has half of the Valor armor set faced off against a level 60 Tauren warrior in a full Tier 3 set and a purple 2h axe in Alterac Valley prior to the expansion's release. I've no idea how he got it and he'll probably easily defeat me (and did.) Is he a twink? Some might say so. Me, I think he's a lucky Tauren! Or a good player.

I think players are using this "twink" phrase as an excuse. They're sore losers. Well, I say to those players that instead of complaining about someone who's got a sword you don't have, why don't you complain about the people who sit down in BG and tell everyone to "Let the Horde win. I want my token." If you see a pre-made team that you know is going to beat you and you desert without trying, blame yourself. But don't sit there and whine about losing. I once lost 227 games of BG in a row on the Earthen Ring server before getting a win with my paladin but I never deserted and I never AFK'ed out but I didn't just put my weapon in my backpack and hide in a corner either.

And for the record, I'm not twinked in any character I have. I lose all the time but I win sometimes too. Yes, it bums me out to lose but it happens. Get used to it.

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And what about the new players, new to pvp and bgs, getting totally crushed by twinks...in turn, ruining their game play experience?

Too bad for them, eh?

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How is it any different from a fresh level 70 player going against one who has been raiding Kharzan for weeks obtaining superior gear?

It isn't any different.

Obviously this is another case of "wait a while and put up with it while we do X" for Blizzard, but to me the obvious solution they've already found, they just applied it to the wrong area.

Now you have to be at certain intervals of enchanting skill disenchant items, right? Those intervals are 0 (Apprentice), 50 (Journeyman), 125 (Expert), 225 (Artisan), and 300 (Grandmaster), then 375 if I remember correctly. Of those, I know that Artisan requires level 35 to train. Why not apply those level requirements for people getting gear enchanted? To have an Artisan Enchant on an item you have to be level 35+ to wear it, apply this to the other level requirements.

Unfortunately, this is yet another thing Blizzard won't do because they've let the issue go long enough that it'd piss off too many people, but that's what I'd do.

/shrug

I don't feel the need to go through five heavy pages, so I apologize if my comment differs from the current argument or if I am repeating what has already been said.

Caydyn, your argument depends on that the twink is a cheater, but this is not the case. From the book "Rules of Play: Game Design Fundamentals", the definition of a cheating player is what we all know. A player with hacks and such. The term you are searching for is an unsportsmanlike player. These players do anything to win and search for holes in the rules. You're right to say that they violate the spirit of the game, but it does not matter to those who want to only win. In fact, here is a quote:

"An unsportsmanlike player is not a cheat. The unsportsmanlike player does follow the rules of the game, but in a way that violates the spirit of the game."

It is not cheating; therefore, Blizzard does not need to step in.

Do keep in mind that they did take some steps to hindering twinks by making the new enchants for only level 35+ items.