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  • Mannoroth
  • 60. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 05:56:25 PM PST
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Same w/ mail rewards. Most are healing gear for shammies but no biggy some nice crap out there for us.


Over 2/3 of the Mail gear is hunter/enhance Shaman gear from qeust rewards.
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  • 61. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 06:14:35 PM PST
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My opinion..

Warriors got used to 100% of all quest reward plate being warrior gear... now when it is nearly 50/50 there is an 'imbalance'.

Honestly next link is Plate quest rewards over 70 on the item level.

http://www.thottbot.com/?f=a;name=;skill=Plate;source=4;quality=2;quality=3;minrl=;maxrl=;minl=70;maxl=;stat1=;c1=gt;v1=;stat2=;c2=gt;v2=;stat3=;c3=gt;v3=;stat4=;c4=gt;v4=;stat5=;c5=gt;v5=;e=;sort=location


9 of 20 Quested CHEST rewards on the above link are Paladin type gear .
5 of 16 Quested BOOT rewards are paladin type gear.
4 of 14 Quested GLOVE rewards are paladin type gear.
4 of 15 Quested HELMET rewards are paladin type gear.
7 of 14 Quuested LEG rewards are paladin type gear.
5 of 15 quested SHOULDER rewards are paladin type gear.
8 of 19 quested BELT rewards are paladin type gear.
3 of 11 quested BRACER rewards are paladin type gear.


After reviewing this myself... I demand MORE PALADIN GEAR in the glove, helmet, shoulder, and bracer departments.

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HELL IT'S NOT EVEN A 50/50 SPLIT!


I'd like to echo this. It's still skewed in favor of warriors. However, there's also an unspoken issue here that folks may not necessarily be aware of:

There's a vast difference between tanking and damage plate. A tank wants tank plate. A DPS warrior, and/or a Retribution Paladin want DPS plate. A holy paladin will want spell damage plate. A protection paladin will want defensive spellcaster plate.

So what happens when you have three types of plate, and people who want each one?

DPS Warrior: OMG, THERE IS NO DPS PLATE. IT IS ALL TANKING/SPELLCASTER CRAP. DAMN PALADINS
Tanking Warrior: OMG THERE IS NO TANKING PLATE. IT IS ALL DPS/SPELLCASTER CRAP. DAMN PALADINS
Protection Paladin: OMG THERE IS NO TANKING SPELLCASTER PLATE. IT IS ALL DPS CRAP. BLIZZARD HATES US.
Holy Paladin: OMG THERE IS PLATE FOR ME FINALLY.
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  • 64. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 06:22:15 PM PST
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From 1 - 60 (leveling), There is NO +damage/healing plate. Heck, there are barely any Paladin pieces, IF ANY, until you get to dungons like Stratholome. The abundance of Paladin gear in Outlands helps make up for the non-existant paladin plate while leveling to 60.


So its better to repay it by screweing over another class rather than putting in a couple of plate + Damage/spell instance drops?

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  • 65. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 06:28:56 PM PST
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So its better to repay it by screweing over another class rather than putting in a couple of plate + Damage/spell instance drops?

KTHX


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  • 69. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 07:21:09 PM PST
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At around 67+ the warrior gear starts picking up, and by 70 all the quests I have reward with warrior tanking gear.
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  • Staghelm
  • 70. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 07:23:47 PM PST
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Now... maybe its just the whole idea that you remember things that dissapoint you more than things that please you... but it seems like at least 2/3rds of plate quest rewards I've encountered this far have been Paladin gear.

Just wanted to see what other warriors thought... see if I'm as crazy as I think I am or if I'm just over reacting.



where was your concern about the lack of pally gear when all you warriors were getting all the plate and 2h weapons pre-BC???

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  • 71. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 07:37:42 PM PST
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I submit to the court these quest rewards, all offered at the end of a long quest chain involving up to 5 man groups :

http://www.thottbot.com/?s=second+sight

Let the jury note that there are 6 Rewards in all (the healing one is higher iLvl and not a reward for this unamed quest chain). There are 9 Classes in WoW. Let's review the rewards :

2 Leather head pieces
2 Mail head pieces
1 Cloth head piece
1 Plate head piece

Let's review the classes covered :

Druidic Helmet of of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=58965

Druids check.

Stealther's Helmet of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59106

Rogues check.

Evoker's Helmet of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59103

Mages/Warlocks/Priests check.

Shamanistic Helmet of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59388

Shamans check.

Stalker's Helmet of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59513

Hunters check.

And for the last one, Overlord's Helmet of Second Sight : http://www.thottbot.com/?i=58936

Warriors check.

Err... Will the jury note the lack of a proper Paladin quest reward on this long chain ? Sure, the plate helmet can be useful to a Retribution Paladin, same as the Rogue helmet can be used by Feral Druids and the Hunter helmet can be useful to an Enhancment Shaman, but why doesn't the Paladin get their own, +stam/+int/+spell damage head piece from this quest ?

The rewards are bout the same in all seriousness. Sometimes it's Paladin plate, sometimes it's Warrior plate, sometime it's generic tanking gear usuable by both without wasted stat points.

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  • 72. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 07:40:01 PM PST
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From 1 - 60 (leveling), There is NO +damage/healing plate. Heck, there are barely any Paladin pieces, IF ANY, until you get to dungons like Stratholome. The abundance of Paladin gear in Outlands helps make up for the non-existant paladin plate while leveling to 60.


QFT. There was 0 real pally gear pre BWL. Blizz is making up for it.
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  • 73. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 07:49:30 PM PST
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I think the distribution is actually pretty decent. The problem is that if your gear is half-decent, only some of the quest rewards are upgrades. So you look at the quests, and you see quests that have no rewards for your armor type, or rewards that are for your armor type but another class, or for your class but aren't an upgrade, and think, there's no gear for me! I took me until level 70 to make significant upgrades to my healing gear, but got a full dps and tanking gear upgrade because I had essentially none of that. I do, however, have a full set of warrior dps plate and a full set of noncaster tanking plate just from quest rewards (may as well hold on to it), so if you came into TBC with a bunch of greens, you should end up with a full set of quest reward gear regardless of your class.
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  • 74. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:06:51 PM PST
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actually thats the attitude that blizz should never tae and yes im a prot warrior do you know how scarce it os for me to find a real upgrade through questing. Personally i would rather se that loot tables be revised making it so that every qust within reason has a reward for evry class at least if not every cookie cutter build.

My biggest pet peev is im running a instance and every drop is utterly useless to everyone in the group except for sharding or vendoring. I would rather have loot tables adjust by what classes are in the group running.

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  • 75. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:21:41 PM PST
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Somehow someway this threat will turn into a nerf druid theme... ;(


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  • Garithos
  • 76. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:24:48 PM PST
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You got all the 1-60 rewards, we get all the 60-70 rewards, okay?
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  • 77. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:33:33 PM PST
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all the big quests with blue rewards are warrior anyways,so what we get a few greens thrown our way?
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  • 78. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:36:20 PM PST
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Overall, the plate rewards are weighted more towards the warrior side. This is considering all drops and rewards in the expansion. This was done primarily because paladins on average can use warrior plate more than warriors can use paladin plate.

Now, that's on a whole, but pooling quest rewards alone won't necessarily reflect that, which could give the impression of abundance with paladin plate.

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  • Spinebreaker
  • 79. Re: Warriors wear plate too :-\   02/09/2007 08:36:59 PM PST
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