So the base defense at 70 is 350, and we want to be at 390. We need +140 defense to be uncrittable.

Defense Rating: 2.4 rating grants 1 defense skill at 70

So we need +336 defense rating at 70 to be uncrittable. Is that correct? And you guys are easily surpassing that already?

How? Aside from Pre-BC items like a ZG-enchanted Wrath helm and an OBT, here are the items I've gotten in BC to tank with:

Mark of the Ravenguard: +17
Breastplate of the Warbringer: +31
Grom'tor's Charge: +11
Legguards of the Resolute Defender: +35
Junior Technician Third Grade Bracers: +11
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves: +18
Expert's Bow of the Champion: +7
Netherwing Protector's Shield: +15


It seems I'm not getting enough defense per slot to hit 336. Anyone with blue gear meeting this number want to post a ctprofile?

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So the base defense at 70 is 350, and we want to be at 390. We need +140 defense to be uncrittable.

Defense Rating: 2.4 rating grants 1 defense skill at 70

So we need +336 defense rating at 70 to be uncrittable. Is that correct? And you guys are easily surpassing that already?

How? Aside from Pre-BC items like a ZG-enchanted Wrath helm and an OBT, here are the items I've gotten in BC to tank with:

Mark of the Ravenguard: +17
Breastplate of the Warbringer: +31
Grom'tor's Charge: +11
Legguards of the Resolute Defender: +35
Junior Technician Third Grade Bracers: +11
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves: +18
Expert's Bow of the Champion: +7
Netherwing Protector's Shield: +15

you are missing a lot of items that are either drops or craftable on your list. Natasha's Battle Chain is a good example.


It seems I'm not getting enough defense per slot to hit 336. Anyone with blue gear meeting this number want to post a ctprofile?

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dont know what i typed didnt show, but you are missing alot of gear, do a search on wowhead you will find a lot of great tanking gear you can quest for ,.

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eBay much?

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Gawd, we think alike.

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Okay: Simple Math Lesson Time!
Level 60 defense cap = 440.
10 new levels @ 5 per level = That's right! 50!
440 + 50 = 490!!
Under the assumption that bosses still use the +3 system.

Enjoy.

Defense has NOTHING to do with crushing blows. See your shield block button? It's not attached to the GCD for a reason. Use it.

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Q u o t e:
So the base defense at 70 is 350, and we want to be at 390. We need +140 defense to be uncrittable.

Defense Rating: 2.4 rating grants 1 defense skill at 70

So we need +336 defense rating at 70 to be uncrittable. Is that correct? And you guys are easily surpassing that already?

How? Aside from Pre-BC items like a ZG-enchanted Wrath helm and an OBT, here are the items I've gotten in BC to tank with:

Mark of the Ravenguard: +17
Breastplate of the Warbringer: +31
Grom'tor's Charge: +11
Legguards of the Resolute Defender: +35
Junior Technician Third Grade Bracers: +11
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves: +18
Expert's Bow of the Champion: +7
Netherwing Protector's Shield: +15


It seems I'm not getting enough defense per slot to hit 336. Anyone with blue gear meeting this number want to post a ctprofile?

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Since Blizz added in "rating" which is always more than the actuall defense it adds, it can be a bit confusing. I keep looking at items with defense rating of 30 and think "ooo 30 defense" when really it isn't.

Does anyone know the exact math of a defese rating to a defense point?

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Since Blizz added in "rating" which is always more than the actuall defense it adds, it can be a bit confusing. I keep looking at items with defense rating of 30 and think "ooo 30 defense" when really it isn't.

Does anyone know the exact math of a defese rating to a defense point?

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its in that post you quoted

It was showing as a crit in my combat log, however I'm not using the blizzard one. I'll look into it tonight and see what it says. Perhaps it is labeling Crushing Blows as Crits.

I know since it's easy to get 490 defense tanks are saying they'll stop stacking defense in favor of other stats, but I still think pound for pound it's the best avoidance stat we have. Dodge can be buffed slightly with consumables, but parry and a mob's chance to miss you can't. A single point of defense contributes to 3 avoidance stats, and it's a lot easier to come by than ratings for the rest. I think about the only stat that's truly diminishing to buff is block past 25% (unless you just have some abnormal aversion to keeping SB up).

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I know since it's easy to get 490 defense tanks are saying they'll stop stacking defense in favor of other stats, but I still think pound for pound it's the best avoidance stat we have. Dodge can be buffed slightly with consumables, but parry and a mob's chance to miss you can't. A single point of defense contributes to 3 avoidance stats, and it's a lot easier to come by than ratings for the rest. I think about the only stat that's truly diminishing to buff is block past 25% (unless you just have some abnormal aversion to keeping SB up).

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It may not be the BEST, but it's still very good even after you cannot get crit and your block is past 25%. This leaves Dodge, Parry, and -Hit%. It's going to take 21.7 Defense Rating, or 8.3 Defense Skill, to equal 1% pure mitigation via these 3 stats. Comparitively, it takes 32 Parry Rating for 1% parry, and 19 Dodge Rating for 1% dodge. So for pure mitigation, it's better than Parry rating, and only slightly worse than Dodge rating.

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Q u o t e:
So the base defense at 70 is 350, and we want to be at 390. We need +140 defense to be uncrittable.

Defense Rating: 2.4 rating grants 1 defense skill at 70

So we need +336 defense rating at 70 to be uncrittable. Is that correct? And you guys are easily surpassing that already?

How? Aside from Pre-BC items like a ZG-enchanted Wrath helm and an OBT, here are the items I've gotten in BC to tank with:

Mark of the Ravenguard: +17
Breastplate of the Warbringer: +31
Grom'tor's Charge: +11
Legguards of the Resolute Defender: +35
Junior Technician Third Grade Bracers: +11
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves: +18
Expert's Bow of the Champion: +7
Netherwing Protector's Shield: +15


It seems I'm not getting enough defense per slot to hit 336. Anyone with blue gear meeting this number want to post a ctprofile?

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It'll show up soon enough. Also search the AH for items that have "Champion" in their name. Getting a ranged weapon with +defense on it is kinda cool heh. I'm currently at 518 defense (still trying to itemize further and figure out the right balance of blockvalue/sta/defense) and after a run in Arcatraz last night had zero crits against me. Not special, but apparently possible.

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Gawd, we think alike.

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Okay: Simple Math Lesson Time!
Level 60 defense cap = 440.
10 new levels @ 5 per level = That's right! 50!
440 + 50 = 490!!
Under the assumption that bosses still use the +3 system.

Enjoy.

Defense has NOTHING to do with crushing blows. See your shield block button? It's not attached to the GCD for a reason. Use it.

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http://www.thottbot.com/?n=1058899 is not a level 73 mob. Its greater.

So yes.. you can get crit in karazhan if defense > 490.

Just a little clarification...

As I understand it, 490 defense is supposed to negate a boss mob's (+3 levels) ability to land a crit. If this is still the case in TBC, where does resilience come in as a tank stat? Is it useful at all or only against PvP opponents? Any firm knowledge on this would be greatly appreciated.

Resilience comes into play because it prevents spell crits as well as melee crits. So against caster bosses (like Shade of Aran in Karazhan), where the boss does minimal melee damage but a metric crapload of spell damage, it might pay to have some gear with resiliance to swap on to help prevent spell crits.

Great to know, thanks Istvan.

with 482 def and just downed romeo. he honestly didnt crush me that much. it was once in a while. so meh.

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http://www.thottbot.com/?n=1058899 is not a level 73 mob. Its greater.

So yes.. you can get crit in karazhan if defense > 490.

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Where do you see that this mob is higher lvl then 73 since its a boss and those are always +3?

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is not a level 73 mob. Its greater.

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then we would never be able to even hit them.

Defense isnt worthless after 490, it just doesnt help with crits anymore from a lvl 73 mob at that point.