I think my discovery channel is broken or something. Ive made tons upon tons of the new elixirs and pots and 3 primal might transmutes(i know not much). Ive spent 5 days farming herbs and making 20-30 pots and elixirs at a time and i cant get any flask or protection pots to discover. Is this supposed to be like an epic drop or something? I liked it better the old way when stuff just dropped and i could buy the rec off the AH and not have to go thought this junk. I'm beginning to get frustrated with the idea and just say the heck with it but i want the flask of assault pretty bad. The only thing ive magically discovered was the major rejuv pot and that was back in lvl 360 at 66, since then ive got nothing. anyone ells getting this? and the whole imbude(sp?) veils really kill the intake of gold I'm only making maybe 2g off the top of everystack.

I have made 800+ potions since hitting 70 and i have not made a single discovery, does th epotion have to be yellow or something because there is not much of that at 375 for me at the moment.

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I have made 800+ potions since hitting 70 and i have not made a single discovery, does th epotion have to be yellow or something because there is not much of that at 375 for me at the moment.

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You can get discoveries off grey recipes, I have.

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You can get discoveries off grey recipes, I have.

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Grats!

I hate you

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The discoveries aren't intended to be common, they're extremely rare in fact. It's really intended to be a bonus if you happen to get one, and not something every alchemist is guaranteed to see. They're so rare that if you're putting effort purely towards discovery you could be spending a lot of time and resources to simply be disappointed. If you do find one, it should be a happy discovery, and not a waste of time if you don't.

What I'm saying is don't expect to discover one, but if you do then congratulations.

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oh snap

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The discoveries aren't intended to be common, they're extremely rare in fact. It's really intended to be a bonus if you happen to get one, and not something every alchemist is guaranteed to see. They're so rare that if you're putting effort purely towards discovery you could be spending a lot of time and resources to simply be disappointed. If you do find one, it should be a happy discovery, and not a waste of time if you don't.

What I'm saying is don't expect to discover one, but if you do then congratulations.

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What that pretty much works out to meaning is that 350+ Alchemy is pointless. You just made a profession extremely frustrating to your own player base and as a result you'll see a lot less Alchemists.

I'm happy to never see a potion due to choosing a side such as Aldor or Scryers. I'm not happy that I pretty much have little to no chance of advancing my chosen profession to be useful.

What alchemy feels like now is what raiding MC & BWL back at 60 before the token system. You try everday, yet you may never ever get the item you hope for. After so many complaints, you guys introduced the token system, which I and many raiders are very thankful for. But now you just introduced the same concept to a profession.

Fact is, people leave the game, roll another class, etc. So if they have discovered something rare, it could be lost to that server permanently. Forcing endgame Alchemy recipes as a very low chance of discovery means ruining the experience and enjoyment of a large number of players including endgame raiding.

I seriously hope you reconsider this.

Because at this stage, why go Alchemy when you can take another trade that has a guarantee of supplying you with an item that you'll find useful.

I agree compleatly, we shouldnt have to hope for some uber rare drop from making potions to get one that will prolly be needed for raiding and such. I mean give me a good chance to get it, rep, a drop, w/e but either up the rate of learning or something because I'm getting very frustrated with this.

The most irritating thing I've found with the discovery method is that I have made approximately 3000 potions/elixirs since I bought the expansion and not a single discovery. Why is it that EVERY other profession out there is guarenteed to give you something to strive for and accomplish while alchemy has something you can strive for but may NEVER get what you want? I can handle going to instances over and over for BoP recipes and whatnot. What I don't like is the fact that I'm supposed to not expect to get the flask recipes. That is just insulting. What is the point of the discovery method anyway? Just to piss us off?

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Why is it that EVERY other profession out there is guarenteed to give you something to strive for and accomplish while alchemy has something you can strive for but may NEVER get what you want?

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Get 375 engineering, then make a QQ thread. You have no idea...

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Why is it that EVERY other profession out there is guarenteed to give you something to strive for and accomplish while alchemy has something you can strive for but may NEVER get what you want? I can handle going to instances over and over for BoP recipes and whatnot. What I don't like is the fact that I'm supposed to not expect to get the flask recipes. That is just insulting. What is the point of the discovery method anyway? Just to piss us off?

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*cough* Engineering *cough*

Not "every" profession even gets the chance at discovery, and frankly, since it's just that, a chance, I don't understand what all you alchemists are crying about. There's a chance you might discover something really cool. Frankly, that seems pretty fun to me, but I'm not about to go out and make thousands and thousands of potions to see if I can get one.

FFS, with all the crying about tailoring and alchemy, you'd think Blizzard would just start every one of you out with 375/375 and every pattern/potion in the game, and even then I'm sure there'd be crying about it.

Face it, some things in this game are supposed to be random. This means you could make 5 billion potions and never see a discovery, while your best friend, who just started playing, gets three in a row.

The game is only a game while you're having fun. The moment you make it into work, you have to start wondering why you're paying $15/month for it, and reevaluate what you're doing. If you cannot handle the fact you might never see a discovery, maybe it's time to move onto another profession, or something else entirely.

As a corrollary (sp?) I ran MC twice a week for a year and never once saw Biznick's Accurascope drop. Yeah, I was bummed about it, but I didn't start crying on the forums about the low drop percentage. (And a friend in another guild saw it drop at least three times in that same time period.)

I've heard of the QQ's from the engineers. I also hear that the devs are going to make you happy. Point me to where the devs are going to make alch's happy and I'll go away.

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I've heard of the QQ's from the engineers. I also hear that the devs are going to make you happy. Point me to where the devs are going to make alch's happy and I'll go away.

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Per Blizz:

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The discoveries aren't intended to be common, they're extremely rare in fact. It's really intended to be a bonus if you happen to get one, and not something every alchemist is guaranteed to see. They're so rare that if you're putting effort purely towards discovery you could be spending a lot of time and resources to simply be disappointed. If you do find one, it should be a happy discovery, and not a waste of time if you don't.

What I'm saying is don't expect to discover one, but if you do then congratulations.

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I guess what they're saying is... Working as Intended?

i was an engineer. dropped that like a sack of potatoes. People complaining about alchemy? go level to +300 engineering and then come back. ask any engineer out there. even if blizz 'makes it worth your while', nothing will make me an engineer again, sorry.

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I've heard of the QQ's from the engineers. I also hear that the devs are going to make you happy. Point me to where the devs are going to make alch's happy and I'll go away.

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Originally posted by Nethaera:

There has been a lot of discussion on the forums lately about the utility of various professions and how people feel they should be working. Much of the feedback we have received points to professions needing a little work and some better utility for those that choose to take them up. While we can’t give you specifics on what is planned or even dates on when players can expect change, we wanted to let everyone know that all professions are being looked at and will be revamped over time. Engineering will be the first on the list, but all professions are being closely looked at and player feedback is a welcome part of that process.

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The discoveries aren't intended to be common, they're extremely rare in fact. It's really intended to be a bonus if you happen to get one, and not something every alchemist is guaranteed to see. They're so rare that if you're putting effort purely towards discovery you could be spending a lot of time and resources to simply be disappointed. If you do find one, it should be a happy discovery, and not a waste of time if you don't.

What I'm saying is don't expect to discover one, but if you do then congratulations.

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The problem that I have with this Drysc, is that flasks are kinda needed for raiding... so guilds either continue to farm old world materials to make flasks, or try to do the impossible, which is discover the new flask recipes.

Id also like to comment on the fact that I think ancient lichen spawning only in instances is crap, toss it in flight only lakes or somewhere where it can be farmed in a reasonable quantity for raiding.

Come cry to me when you can't make a free 20-30g per day from a single transmute. Better yet, give me that gold. It'll help you forget the pain of failing to make any new discoveries.

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The problem that I have with this Drysc, is that flasks are kinda needed for raiding... so guilds either continue to farm old world materials to make flasks, or try to do the impossible, which is discover the new flask recipes.

Id also like to comment on the fact that I think ancient lichen spawning only in instances is crap, toss it in flight only lakes or somewhere where it can be farmed in a reasonable quantity for raiding.

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CM's like Drysc have pointed out in the past that the devs do not make raid encounters so difficult that they merit everyone using flasks and other buffs to defeat a boss. They have said that they will never make flasks/elixirs a requirement for an encounter, but they are there to help.

The problem I have with the discovery method is that it is so rare that no one on Illidan Horde side has been able to make any of the new flasks yet. I've seen all kinds of epic patterns drop for people for every profession. I have yet to see a worthwhile discovery in Alchemy that someone has gotten on my server. I have counted the number of Adept's Elixirs I've made, and it totals close to 3000 atm. Not a single discovery. This is actually a worse rate than an epic world drop.

And all you engineers go QQ on your other threads. Engineers are getting a first look while the rest of the professions take the back burner until you guys are happy.

Discovered my first thing today:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3672/discoverylh2.jpg

I was excited even if i dont think that i will ever use it.
As you can see i learned it while doing primal might during a Black Morass run.
Startled alot of people in the run who didnt have a clue what was going on (i was the healler TeeHee). They thought it was random.

I am transmute Specced.

Personally i wanted all the Discovered potions/Elixirs to be rare so that everyone is unique. Obviously manas are much easier to farm than some of the other primals, but i am happy with whatever i can get.

In the meantime i would recommened that you just play without hoping for Discoveries and be happy with what you get.

now if we can only get a few minutes shaved off our transmuting timers so it is easier to do them around the same time daily.