Having recently gotten 70 with my warrior it has become apparent to me that the role of the warrior have greatly changed with TBC. I have been in groups where the healer will prefer having a druid tank because A) they are easier to heal B) they do more DPS tanking then a warrior C) hold aggro better then a warrior does. I must admit, that I agree with assessment B and C having watched damage meters while a druid tanks and also observing how quickly they build aggro. I have no experience with A however.

I'm seriously disappointed by this new development. I've always played a warrior to be a tank, and I've always been known as one of the better tanking warriors out there. I've also MTed and off tanked for raiding guilds in the past. I know how to tank and I know how to build aggro properly. As a result I'm starting to feel very disappointed by my tanking ability as a whole and truly wish something to be done about it.

I'm getting sick of being in a group where people will prefer having a druid tank as opposed to a warrior.

B and C are 100% true and because of that, A is true :)

As it stands right now, I don't even want a warrior in my group unless it is spec'd for dps and i have a druid as my tank.

Mabey I've just had bad luck with warriors since the expansion, but as it stands right now warriors are struggling to hold aggro on more than 2 mobs where a druid seems to build aggro faster and hold more mobs with great ease.

So to sum things up.. do i want a warrior in my group? Not really, I'd rather have another class that could do something a little more useful.

This post has been based entirely on my experience in TBC, and i really think warriors need a way to become the main tank again, but until that happens, give me a druid.

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B and C are 100% true and because of that, A is true :)

As it stands right now, I don't even want a warrior in my group unless it is spec'd for dps and i have a druid as my tank.

Mabey I've just had bad luck with warriors since the expansion, but as it stands right now warriors are struggling to hold aggro on more than 2 mobs where a druid seems to build aggro faster and hold more mobs with great ease.

So to sum things up.. do i want a warrior in my group? Not really, I'd rather have another class that could do something a little more useful.

This post has been based entirely on my experience in TBC, and i really think warriors need a way to become the main tank again, but until that happens, give me a druid.

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GL in Kara, enjoy your 5 mans.

Honestly I felt the same way about druid tanks, but now that I see some other druids do what I know I can do, I feel that I do not need to worry to much. If you are really that worried about losing a raid spot as a tank to a druid, consider this, you might want to try a bit harder to learn the ins and outs of tanking, we will come out on top once again, all you havee to do is try. Never will I trade in my warrior for another class, I started with a warrior and till then end will I be on my warrior.

I am going to put this vary bluntly, if you really are one of the "better" tanking warriors out there, then you would have no problem tanking in a 5 man group, neither would you be shy to disagree with that of the healers decision, and say something about it.

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Honestly I felt the same way about druid tanks, but now that I see some other druids do what I know I can do, I feel that I do not need to worry to much. If you are really that worried about losing a raid spot as a tank to a druid, consider this, you might want to try a bit harder to learn the ins and outs of tanking, we will come out on top once again, all you havee to do is try. Never will I trade in my warrior for another class, I started with a warrior and till then end will I be on my warrior.

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Problem being; what happens through out 5mans? If druids are preferred, the only way i can do them is to be DPSing.

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I am going to put this vary bluntly, if you really are one of the "better" tanking warriors out there, then you would have no problem tanking in a 5 man group, neither would you be shy to disagree with that of the healers decision, and say something about it.

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I never said I couldn't do it. I simply said that if a druid and a warrior is in a group a group will prefer to have a druid tank because of the three reasons I listed above. That's not good if you look at what blizzard's 'vision' of a warrior is.

Shield bash is reason enough to take a warrior over a druid in many instances.

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Shield bash is reason enough to take a warrior over a druid in many instances.

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I hope your joking. especially with the earthshock fix shammies got.

I'd much rather have a warrior tanking for me, however, most warriors suck at tanking...or, are Arms/Fury spec'd

To further add, most warriors I have encounters are "tunnel visioned" meaning, the focus on one target, remain focuses on one target, and ignore the rest..Hense, I have to drop out of kitty to bearform, and multi-tank the other mobs trying to eat the priest...hense, wasting valuable healing resources. So in the case.

I am the better tank.

You are NOT a better tank, youre just a big bear treetard.

Except for the fact that you have completely screwed up, overpowered, ez-mode idiot enabled tanking skills, Id mop the floor with you as a tank. But, as it currently stands, warriors are both gimped by trainable skills and rage generation atm.

However, my long experience, skill and application of the tanking craft tell me one thing, even as a Fury warrior and even though your talents are by design overpowered and mine are gimp...

You arent half the tank I am. Period.

Now STFU and GTFO.

Blizz intends for warriors to be the best overall tanks. If they are not the best, they are not working as intended and blizz will fix it eventually. We're a month and a half into new content, give it time.

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Except for the fact that you have completely screwed up, overpowered, ez-mode idiot enabled tanking skills, Id mop the floor with you as a tank.

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As opposed to "hard mode" tanking skills? Have you forgotten so soon how awesome you felt back in MC just because you were able to spam your Shield Block / Sunder macro till the mob died? lol

Druids are the better tanks. Till warriors get geared up and swap out of grindspec at 70. Suck it up and deal.

I've never had any problems tanking HF Ramparts or any 60-70 instance for that matter.

You also have to remember that its not only up to the Warrior its also up to the rest of the group to make sure they manage their aggro so they don't pull, aggro from the warrior.

I guess ive never had a problem because im in a guild that is good at this and can manage aggro effectivly.

Druids at this point can tank really well, I believe warriors should still be the main tanks though. In a general view, druids aren't supposed to take the job. As a druid, you spec feral, assuming you have the gear, you can now not only tank, but you can DPS. A warrior has to give everything up to become a viable tank, fury tanks can work, sometimes even MS ones, but they're nothing compared to the feral druids. This also causes a lot of other problems which I'm not even going to bother with getting into.

For a boss fight a warrior is great but for the rest of the instance the most wipes I've had running the 5 mans is when the warrior has been MTing. Most pugs go crazy, pull any target and only use CC in oh crap situations. A druid is better able to handle that kind of thing. Now if you have a good coordinated group that knows how to CC and target focus the warrior will have no problems. Still for pugs with unskilled players Druids and Paladins allow them to live with minimal effort on anybodys part other than the healer.

Once again, there is no "best" tanking class. There are now 3 to choose from. Get used to it.

Oh, btw, I've been tanking for 2 years. Way before we were any good at it and now I'm rolling a warrior because from what I see on the forums it's a little more challenging.

I love you guys but nobodys the top dog anymore and I think the game is better for it.

good to hear Tseric ;)