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TLDR.

By looking at her arena stats, you committed the fallacy called "ad hominem". Go google it.

Or better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Arguments have been made, she has not listened. The next logical step is to verify the person actually knows what they're talking about and is able to talk with any sort of relevance to the subject at hand.

The answer is, no, she cannot.

Her argument is thus:

If Horde get fear Ward and it is cast on a UD, they will be nigh invincible to Fear. This is a PvP QQ as there is no reason alliance should not want us to have it for PvE viability. She has no experience with PvP on her priest as determined by her Armory Stats. Now you tell me why any of us should give her the time of day when she's QQing about something she has no experience with.

Anti-Argument:

Only one race, given one specific buff, by a certain race/class combination will do well against one single spell mechanic in the game.

Warlocks and Priests are the only ones who will be affected by this in pvp. (Warrior's too maybe?) And against so narrow a margin of players that the 'overpoweredness' is just not there. That's like me saying that Dwarves are OPed because they can become immune to poisons as well as have someone dispel it (which by the way there are a lot more class/race combinations that can remove poisons compared to the ones able to Fear Ward), thereby completely removing a rogues main snare and hunter's ability to afflict the said player with status affects.

Basically this argument is a massive QQ about a nonissue.

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So does alliance get seal of blood?

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why would you want it? seal of vengence plix

ill happily trade

WotF does not come close to Fear Ward in any way, shape, or form in terms of utility.

FW has a much bigger impact on some PvE encounters than any other ability. This is why it's unfair. I'd hate to see it simply given to other classes (maybe Draenei/Dwarves would get a new racial), but it does make fear-dependent encounters significantly easier for Alliance.

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Fear ward does not come close to WotF in any way, shape, or form in terms of utility.

WotF has a much bigger impact on some PvP encounters than any other ability. This is why it's unfair. I'd hate to see it simply given to other races, but it does make fear-dependent encounters significantly easier for undead, the night elves of the horde.

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draenei 2 get warstop or whatever it's called

Focus....


Fear Ward = limited to Alliance Priests <----priest racial
WoTF = All Undead Classes <----'normal' racial

Not the same thing.

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Focus....


Fear Ward = limited to Alliance Priests <----priest racial
WoTF = All Undead Classes <----'normal' racial

Not the same thing.

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so what you're saying is, give fear ward to all dwarves?

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So, do we get Will of the Forsaken then?

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ROFL

This coming from a Draenei with Symbol of Hope?

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I think the general consensus among the designers is that ultimately priest racials were ... a poor choice to make, especially with the decisions of what each race would have. It's come down to it that they should be addressed somehow.

I'm not sure how many remember, but priest racials were created because there was player concern over how an Undead could appropriately wield the healing powers of the light, and the racials were added to give flavor which could back up some of those player concerns. Aside from some probably poor decisions on what that flavor should be, ultimately it was a concern that players would ultimately have benefited from if we had simply ignored it.

It could be addressed any number of ways (everyone is given everything, or it's cut down to a small pool of abilities which everyone has access to, or only specific abilities are passed to different races, etc.), and I don't believe a final decision has been made at this time.

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Considering how few spell Priests have (we have the fewest of any class) I would hope that they work to expand the spell book, and not reduce it to fewer, lousier spells.

Fear Ward, Devouring Plague, Shadowguard, Desperate Prayer and Symbol of Hope. We'll take almost any combination of those 5.

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ROFL

This coming from a Draenei with Symbol of Hope?

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Hey, I'm not complaining about that ;)

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I think the general consensus among the designers is that ultimately priest racials were ... a poor choice to make, especially with the decisions of what each race would have. It's come down to it that they should be addressed somehow.

I'm not sure how many remember, but priest racials were created because there was player concern over how an Undead could appropriately wield the healing powers of the light, and the racials were added to give flavor which could back up some of those player concerns. Aside from some probably poor decisions on what that flavor should be, ultimately it was a concern that players would ultimately have benefited from if we had simply ignored it.

It could be addressed any number of ways (everyone is given everything, or it's cut down to a small pool of abilities which everyone has access to, or only specific abilities are passed to different races, etc.), and I don't believe a final decision has been made at this time.

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Yeah, that still doesn't address WoTF, but NICE TRY!!!!!


I honestly don't care if all priest can get all PRIEST racials, thats all find and dandy. But can all races pick their standard racials (aka WoTF) as well. If you would read the concerns posted in this thread it is the fact that Horde would have WoTF AND Fear Ward. Any layman can see that it would be overpowered in PvP.

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I think the general consensus among the designers is that ultimately priest racials were ... a poor choice to make, especially with the decisions of what each race would have. It's come down to it that they should be addressed somehow.

I'm not sure how many remember, but priest racials were created because there was player concern over how an Undead could appropriately wield the healing powers of the light, and the racials were added to give flavor which could back up some of those player concerns. Aside from some probably poor decisions on what that flavor should be, ultimately it was a concern that players would ultimately have benefited from if we had simply ignored it.

It could be addressed any number of ways (everyone is given everything, or it's cut down to a small pool of abilities which everyone has access to, or only specific abilities are passed to different races, etc.), and I don't believe a final decision has been made at this time.

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omg, a blue posted in my thread! <3

I'm glad to hear this, as are all the NElf and Troll priests who chose their characters for looks without knowledge of priest racials.

I do hope that the devs consider the effects of Fear Ward + WotF.

How can Alliance even attempt to compare WotF to Fear Ward? Honestly, lets look at the balancing between the two.

(WotF)
Pro: Breaks fear/charm effect and grants 5 second immunity. Good for a 1 time ditch effort in PvP to escape fear if you have nothing else like a trinket. Not all people run around with a PvP trinket 24/7.

Con: Breaks only the Undead player out of fear, making it worthless in Raids/PvE unless they are solo feared. If everyone in the raid/group is feared, and the Undead pops WotF, the boss will most likely go after them while they're not feared.

(Fear Ward)
Pro: Makes player immune to 1 fear mechanic for 10 minutes, 30 second CD. Can be used on party members or self to protect a healer/tank from boss fear, or to prevent a fear in PvP allowing up a few more seconds of attack time.

Con: ???

If it really is going to make Alliance QQ about Horde having a fear protection for their healers and or tanks in a Raid because it can be used in PvP, simply make Fear Ward consume WotF CD every time its used. So an Undead had to pick between 1 or the other and can't use both back to back.

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Considering how few spell Priests have (we have the fewest of any class) I would hope that they work to expand the spell book, and not reduce it to fewer, lousier spells.

Fear Ward, Devouring Plague, Shadowguard, Desperate Prayer and Symbol of Hope. We'll take almost any combination of those 5.

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I seriously doubt you have fewer spells then a rogue and a warrior

both of them combined could not add up to a priest and paladin has fewer spells as well

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On the priest forums, it's long been "accepted" that the reason horde doesn't get Fear Ward is because they already have WotF, and having TWO ways to cancel fear would be way too OP.

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As an Undead Fury Warrior, I have FIVE ways to break fear. Why would it be overpowered if Priests have two ways?