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  • 0. Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 11:57:28 AM PDT
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I pulled this off of www.wowwiki.com today. I know that is not an official source but apparently this was discussed at Blizzcon and I would like some confirmation.

"Uses a rune system instead of mana, energy, or rage including three schools: blood, frost and unholy."

Okay, firstly this class is going to use a unique system for activating abilities that is seperate from the traditional systems. Okay, is this being used in order to limit how nasty a DK can really be? Or will it be similar to the systems already implemented by Blizz, just a different style?

Next, we have two new damage types being presented. Blood and Unholy. Blood is interesting, if I had to guess I would say that this is more of a magic for debuffs then direct damage. As far as unholy is concerned, don't we already have shadow? I know it isn't techinically the same but come on! So I guess my big question to this is, will we see new mobs that also wield these damage types, and more importantly will we be expected to have gear that resists these damage types?

Sure, it's your $14.95 a month to play as you want, but in a group it's our $59.80 and we think you're retarded.
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  • Thunderlord
  • 1. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 11:59:33 AM PDT
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I would expect that the unholy tree is a mix between the priests discipline tree and the Warlocks Demonology tree, not its own damage type. However I could be completely wrong
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  • Burning Blade
  • 2. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:00:06 PM PDT
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Know how the druids casting tree is called Balance, but the spells are nature and arcane?

Its like that.

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  • Mal'Ganis
  • 3. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:01:01 PM PDT
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Know how the druids casting tree is called Balance, but the spells are nature and arcane?

Its like that.
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  • Stormrage
  • 5. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:01:49 PM PDT
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Blood Frost and Unholy are the schools of magic (and names of talent trees) a death knight will have, not separate damage types. They'll be able to cast runes from the three schools onto their pointy things of doom and poke away with the power of death!

The problem with world is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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  • 7. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:02:58 PM PDT
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As I understand it, Blood, Frost, and Unholy are the runes you can put on your weapon, max of 6. Then your abilities trigger a cooldown on certain ones of them. ie: Beam of Death uses 2x Unholy. You have 3 Unholy Runes, 2 Frost Runes, and 1 Blood Rune. So for the next x seconds, you have 1 Unholy, 2 Frost, and 1 Blood to use on other abilities, until your two other Unholy Runes come off cooldown.

Taken from Worldofraids.com, or my interpretation of what they're saying rather.

lol wut?

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  • Boulderfist
  • 8. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:03:09 PM PDT
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I pulled this off of www.wowwiki.com today. I know that is not an official source but apparently this was discussed at Blizzcon and I would like some confirmation.

"Uses a rune system instead of mana, energy, or rage including three schools: blood, frost and unholy."

Okay, firstly this class is going to use a unique system for activating abilities that is seperate from the traditional systems. Okay, is this being used in order to limit how nasty a DK can really be? Or will it be similar to the systems already implemented by Blizz, just a different style?

Next, we have two new damage types being presented. Blood and Unholy. Blood is interesting, if I had to guess I would say that this is more of a magic for debuffs then direct damage. As far as unholy is concerned, don't we already have shadow? I know it isn't techinically the same but come on! So I guess my big question to this is, will we see new mobs that also wield these damage types, and more importantly will we be expected to have gear that resists these damage types?


my guess is, blood runes = physical abilities.
unholy runes = shadow abilities
frost runes = frost abilities.
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  • 10. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:08:16 PM PDT
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I pulled this off of www.wowwiki.com today. I know that is not an official source but apparently this was discussed at Blizzcon and I would like some confirmation.

"Uses a rune system instead of mana, energy, or rage including three schools: blood, frost and unholy."

Okay, firstly this class is going to use a unique system for activating abilities that is seperate from the traditional systems. Okay, is this being used in order to limit how nasty a DK can really be? Or will it be similar to the systems already implemented by Blizz, just a different style?

AFAIK, it's going to be "similar" to existing systems in the way that Rage, Energy, and Mana are "similar" to each other: a resource that you use to cast abilities.

The report from Blizzcon is that DKs will etch 6 runes into their weapon. These runes will be some combination of Blood runes, Frost runes, and Unholy runes (i.e. you might get 2 Frost, 1 Blood, 3 Unholy). Every ability a DK has uses up some of those runes, which gradually recharge. So like if the aforementioned DK uses an ability that requires 2 Frost runes, the 2 Frost runes would be used up, and he'd have 1 Blood and 3 Unholy left until those Frost recharge.

As far as actual playstyle goes, I imagine it will be like a cross between Rogue Energy and Warlock pet selection. You start at full, burn all your "resources" quickly, and then wait for them to recharge, much like Rogues' Energy, but you also have to decide before the fight what you want to be capable of, much like a Warlock choosing between his Succubus for CC vs. his Imp for buffing vs. his Felhound for dispelling. Of course, this entire paragraph is purely speculation on my part =P



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Next, we have two new damage types being presented. Blood and Unholy. Blood is interesting, if I had to guess I would say that this is more of a magic for debuffs then direct damage. As far as unholy is concerned, don't we already have shadow? I know it isn't techinically the same but come on! So I guess my big question to this is, will we see new mobs that also wield these damage types, and more importantly will we be expected to have gear that resists these damage types?

Frost, Blood, and Unholy are the three types of Runes that a DK can use to power his abilities. There's no indication that "Blood" and "Unholy" are actual damage types, much like "Retribution" isn't a damage type for a Paladin, "Fury" isn't a damage type for a Warrior, and "Balance" isn't a damage type for Druids.

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  • 11. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:08:57 PM PDT
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To answer the last question first, the rune types don't dictate a new damage type, they're simply a resource that spells and abilities will use when you activate them. The spells and abilities won't necessarily be "blood, unholy, or frost" damage. Although I would make a personal guess that it's likely for shadow spells to use unholy runes to activate, physical damage spells could use blood, and frost spells using frost runes.

For the first question, no I don't see it as being a mechanic to limit how awesome they are really, but it definitely does allow us to balance and plan for what abilities can be used, when, how often, and in what combination with other abilities. I think the new system is definitely more in-depth, and will be interesting as I think it's going to add quite a bit of complexity to being able to play the class well. Which is probably a good mark of a hero class.

Imagine it being three different energy pools which you can change the size of before you get into combat.

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  • Burning Blade
  • 12. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:10:15 PM PDT
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I think its going to be more like:

blood runes: puppies and rainbows
unholy runes: happyness and rainbows
frost runes: ice cream and rainbows

of course, its too early to tell.


Thank you.

I got a good chuckle out of that.

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  • Laughing Skull
  • 13. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:12:59 PM PDT
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I hope the frost tree gives their attacks a chance to put targets in a frozen state like frost nova does to help frost mages with their crits from frozen targets. If the tank is freezing along with the incidental freezing from my frost bolts, frost may be more viable for trash in raids
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  • Arygos
  • 14. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:14:47 PM PDT
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Although I would make a personal guess that it's likely for shadow spells to use unholy runes to activate, physical damage spells could use blood, and frost spells using frost runes.


Remember people, that is his PERSONAL guess, not set in stone.

I can see people whining in the future if this turns out to be wrong.
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  • Skullcrusher
  • 15. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:16:30 PM PDT
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I hope the frost tree gives their attacks a chance to put targets in a frozen state like frost nova does to help frost mages with their crits from frozen targets. If the tank is freezing along with the incidental freezing from my frost bolts, frost may be more viable for trash in raids


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  • Trollbane
  • 16. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:16:40 PM PDT
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Um question...The Death Knight gets to have a "sword or axe" when made that it will use for the runes. Will weapons you pick up be able to replace your weapon or are you limited to the "class weapon" to use your powers?
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  • Laughing Skull
  • 17. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:18:40 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
To answer the last question first, the rune types don't dictate a new damage type, they're simply a resource that spells and abilities will use when you activate them. The spells and abilities won't necessarily be "blood, unholy, or frost" damage. Although I would make a personal guess that it's likely for shadow spells to use unholy runes to activate, physical damage spells could use blood, and frost spells using frost runes.

For the first question, no I don't see it as being a mechanic to limit how awesome they are really, but it definitely does allow us to balance and plan for what abilities can be used, when, how often, and in what combination with other abilities. I think the new system is definitely more in-depth, and will be interesting as I think it's going to add quite a bit of complexity to being able to play the class well. Which is probably a good mark of a hero class.

Imagine it being three different energy pools which you can change the size of before you get into combat.


its gonna be like that sword you got on dnd heroes for the xbox with the runes
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  • Gorefiend
  • 18. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:19:28 PM PDT
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My understanding is that the weapon doesn't physically have the rune slots, it's just a Weapon looking bar where your mana usually is.

Any weapon can be used with the Runes. I could be wrong, but that is how I understand it at this point. I don't think they'll be adding many DK specific weapons, would be a nightmare.

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  • Laughing Skull
  • 19. Re: Blood, Frost, Unholy... Blue?   08/06/2007 12:20:59 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
My understanding is that the weapon doesn't physically have the rune slots, it's just a Weapon looking bar where your mana usually is.

Any weapon can be used with the Runes. I could be wrong, but that is how I understand it at this point. I don't think they'll be adding many DK specific weapons, would be a nightmare.


its sortof like a pie maker, a pie maker isn't different from other bakers, they just happen to possess a pie shaped oven.
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