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  • 0. Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest racials   08/07/2007 09:18:26 AM PDT
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Just thank you for acknowledging that players have had a point for awhile as to the unfairness inherent in priest racials. I hope you can kill a few birds with one stone while fixing this problem.

For example, Symbol of Hope and Fear Ward provide a lot of the raid utility priests lack at the moment. Starshards fills the problem of shadow priests having nothing to cast while locked down. Shadowguard, hex of weakness, and DP liven up the shadow priest's playbook a bit, which is sorely lacking. Desperate prayer also greatly helps priests in pvp situations.

The other major caveat with priest is the placement of Divine Spirit/Imp. Divine Spirit. I strongly suggest moving this to the holy tree, at the 21 point level. Just as very few people specced lightwell prior to BC, just as few spec CoH, and just as few will spec the new 51 point talent, just in order to get this silly spirit buff.

Thanks for acknowledging the problem! I hope you take a lot of suggestions into consideration while figuring it out.

Here's one more suggestion: If you happen to find Fear Ward + WotF is overpowering in PvP, just make Fear Ward able to be active on one target only, a la earth shield. That's if you do find it to be overpowered.
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  • 1. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:21:11 AM PDT
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Just thank you for acknowledging that players have had a point for awhile as to the unfairness inherent in priest racials. I hope you can kill a few birds with one stone while fixing this problem.

For example, Symbol of Hope and Fear Ward provide a lot of the raid utility priests lack at the moment. Starshards fills the problem of shadow priests having nothing to cast while locked down. Shadowguard, hex of weakness, and DP liven up the shadow priest's playbook a bit, which is sorely lacking. Desperate prayer also greatly helps priests in pvp situations.

The other major caveat with priest is the placement of Divine Spirit/Imp. Divine Spirit. I strongly suggest moving this to the holy tree, at the 21 point level. Just as very few people specced lightwell prior to BC, just as few spec CoH, and just as few will spec the new 51 point talent, just in order to get this silly spirit buff.

Thanks for acknowledging the problem! I hope you take a lot of suggestions into consideration while figuring it out.

Here's one more suggestion: If you happen to find Fear Ward + WotF is overpowering in PvP, just make Fear Ward able to be active on one target only, a la earth shield. That's if you do find it to be overpowered.


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  • 3. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:22:44 AM PDT
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Vanish escape artist clos is oped.

I can't snare a gnome rogue before dr is on he gets out of all 3.


I agree with your comparison actually. I think Fear Ward and WotF is just fine together. I am saying if they do find it to be overpowered, they could just switch fear ward to single target only.

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  • 4. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:22:55 AM PDT
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Just thank you for acknowledging that players have had a point for awhile as to the unfairness inherent in priest racials. I hope you can kill a few birds with one stone while fixing this problem.

For example, Symbol of Hope and Fear Ward provide a lot of the raid utility priests lack at the moment. Starshards fills the problem of shadow priests having nothing to cast while locked down. Shadowguard, hex of weakness, and DP liven up the shadow priest's playbook a bit, which is sorely lacking. Desperate prayer also greatly helps priests in pvp situations.

The other major caveat with priest is the placement of Divine Spirit/Imp. Divine Spirit. I strongly suggest moving this to the holy tree, at the 21 point level. Just as very few people specced lightwell prior to BC, just as few spec CoH, and just as few will spec the new 51 point talent, just in order to get this silly spirit buff.

Thanks for acknowledging the problem! I hope you take a lot of suggestions into consideration while figuring it out.

Here's one more suggestion: If you happen to find Fear Ward + WotF is overpowering in PvP, just make Fear Ward able to be active on one target only, a la earth shield. That's if you do find it to be overpowered.


There are a lot of things that will be looked at with not just priests but a lot of the various classes as we continue to work on current and future game development. I believe that Tom Chilton even mentioned in the class panel that we want to take a look at the Discipline tree for Priests and find a way to make it more functional as its own tree and realize its own focus. As many people have said after seeing us at BlizzCon, we do listen, we are watching, and we are aware not only of what the community is saying but what we are seeing for ourselves. We may not be able to always give you details about everything that is being worked on right away, but we give them when we are comfortable with doing so.

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  • 5. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:23:40 AM PDT
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There are a lot of things that will be looked at with not just priests but a lot of the various classes as we continue to work on current and future game development. I believe that Tom Chilton even mentioned in the class panel that we want to take a look at the Discipline tree for Priests and find a way to make it more functional as its own tree and realize its own focus. As many people have said after seeing us at BlizzCon, we do listen, we are watching, and we are aware not only of what the community is saying but what we are seeing for ourselves. We may not be able to always give you details about everything that is being worked on right away, but we give them when we are comfortable with doing so.

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  • 8. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:29:11 AM PDT
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Blizzard does listen. However, it just takes everyone screaming in usison and flooding the forums before they actually notice. Now, acting on those intentions is a whole nother can of worms.

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  • 9. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:29:38 AM PDT
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(Then again, of course they care. No business can succeed by ignoring their customers.)


Except for Customer Ignorers Incorporated.

They care, because they just don't give a damn.

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  • 10. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:31:52 AM PDT
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WTB death knight racial spells

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  • 11. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:33:06 AM PDT
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Lastly, what is the projected goal of the discipline tree compared to holy?

In the panel they said they were still working on it and couldn't announce any details yet.
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  • 12. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:33:08 AM PDT
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Yes it is rather odd.

After no replies for the longest time they reply again.

Oh wait....This sounds vaguely familiar....I have a feeling whatever changes they may be good or really crappy, they'll dissapear again from the Priest scene for 6 months.


Well, they do have other classes to attend to, with, dare I say it, more pressing issues. Those poor hunters, for example, just can't seem to get a foot in arena at all.

Honestly, after priest racials, I just wish they would get around to addressing the lack of scaling of the Inner Fire spell, like if that was intentional or accidental that it performs so much worse at level 70 than at level 60 in terms of mitigating damage. To me, that's probably reason no. 1 for most of the QQing regarding priest survivability. A lot of people point to psychic scream but not much has changed with that that was different prior to BC. Priests are also as strong against casters as we always were, but against melee, we have become really, really terrible, and I think it's 90% due to the lack of scaling of IF from 60 to 70.

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  • 13. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:33:38 AM PDT
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  • 14. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:34:56 AM PDT
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... I just wish they would get around to addressing the lack of scaling of the Inner Fire spell, like if that was intentional or accidental that it performs so much worse at level 70 than at level 60 in terms of mitigating damage. ...


I know it's a crutch, but Fade also doesn't scale to lvl 70 at all. Not saying Fade should be used by good priests often, but as it is I don't even lose aggro EVER when I use it.
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  • 18. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:42:44 AM PDT
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They gotta figure out what it was suppose to be first before they can say anything.


lol

Despite our complaints, the Devs refuse to make any changes to priest racial spells because all the Human priests keep telling them that our Feedback is horrible!
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  • 19. Re: Thanks for acknowledgement on Priest raci   08/07/2007 09:43:26 AM PDT
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There are a lot of things that will be looked at with not just priests but a lot of the various classes as we continue to work on current and future game development.


Does this include non class based racials also?
I know the standard blue answer is that racials are meant to add flavor and do not have that large of an impact on gameplay. I'm sorry but they have a huge impact in pvp. Notice the complaints of horde getting fear ward is primarily due to the combination of it and will of the forsaken. As a class with only two possible races it is extremely clear that only one of the two has a combat racial. Racials can make the difference in an arena game when it is down to the last couple of players so how is this just flavor?

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