I think it's funny that you left out Quel from your figures -- the best tanking sword in the game short of Naxx and only a couple weapons before that (most of questionable DKP value).

I agree that the problem with Dev is that it scales too well, meaning that at level 60 it's almost a waste, but at level 70 with better gear and weapons it will pawn.

The solution to me is to add one more thing to it -- one small thing. Make it add one more application of armor reduction in addition to the other things it does. At least then it serves more of a purpose at level 60

imo devastate needs to be added to the 6/9 dreadnaught bonus, whats the point of using it @ level 60 if you dont get the +5% to hit that you do with sunder armor.

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imo devastate needs to be added to the 6/9 dreadnaught bonus, whats the point of using it @ level 60 if you dont get the +5% to hit that you do with sunder armor.

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The +5% hit is to make sure you cannot miss with sunder. Devastate is a DPS attack.

Another bump for great justice. People seem to be seeking mathematical information on Devastate a lot as of late. Anyone know where to go to request a post be stickied?

Hi-ho, hi-ho, to the first page we go!

i dont say that its not a good skill.....

but at 60 with itemization your better not spec for it and go for more mitigation (imp TC,imp Demo-shout)

when we will be at lvl 70 with 1 handed that hit as strong as the 2 hadned atm we will see it shine way more than it does... seriously atm i see 50-100 damage with it and its 12 freaking rage....

i prefer by far my DN revenge bonus and having imp HS

I've often wondered how does Devastate play out for PvP? In terms of attacking other Player characters.

I mean would you even use shield slam since you can just lay waste with devastate? or would you keep it because it can be somewhat useful?

bump

The math and logic used in this thread are so poor it's appalling.

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The math and logic used in this thread are so poor it's appalling.

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Care to elaborate?

If his math (and the math of others) is laughable, why don't you support your position with math of your own?

Also, bump.

Why does this thread still exist?

Is it the OP that keeps bumping it from page 39?

...WHERE THE HEEL DO YOU PEOPLE FIND THE TIME TO DO @!!% LIKE THAT?!!!?!?!

*dies*

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Why does this thread still exist?

Is it the OP that keeps bumping it from page 39?

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Because the information in the thread is relevant and very useful.

And, no, Ciderhelm isn't bumping it; I am.

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because this post *should* be stickied cos so many warriors just do not understand devastate.

Excellent DPS for prot, doesnt waste rage on sunders past 5, it's pretty good!

Patchwerk devastate spam :P
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/5177/devastatepatchwerkfs8.jpg

Right now it's still lackluster.

I can do 350 avg dmg with a GM longsword with 5 sunders, around 700 crit. On the same target I can autoswing crit for 1000. HS for even more.

Simple math: It does 50% weapon damage. If it crits, it does 100% weapon damage. Add in the +dmg from the number of sunders (+25/+35 X 5 most likely).

In the end it's only decent for DPS as prot at best. Useless in PvP against anything but plate/bears if I can drag the battle on and get 5 sunders.

Hm. how are the stats with a HWL weapon, if i may ask? (unless it's been asked, then i'll slink away in shame after asking for a link >.>)

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Hm. how are the stats with a HWL weapon, if i may ask? (unless it's been asked, then i'll slink away in shame after asking for a link >.>)

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This is exactly what I wanted to know. I'm wondering if I should go for the Quickblade, Dagger, or Longsword/Axe/Mace/Fist?

Btw, why isn't this stickied yet?

This issue can now be closed, as Devastate has been buffed/fixed/improved in 2.0.3. Enjoy!

I read the first page and then jumped to this page... So if I missed the answer to my question I'm sorry. Please point it out to me.

My question:

Is Devastate better once you consider armor? I notice all your calculations and comparisons were done assuming creatures have 0 armor... Referring back to your comparison of Bloodlord's defender devastate and Sunder. If you factor even the smallest amount of armor into that calculation Bloodlord's defender falls behind.

I guess I'd like a realistic comparison including events that I see everyday tanking, i.e. non 0 armor mobs.

For instance, in Shattered halls with my 2.6 speed 71dps claw my devastate hits for ~90 on creatues pre-sunder. Is this really better than the static sunder threat value?