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You're a paladin tank and your only forms of dps and CC are 2 rogues and a fury warrior.

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replace the rogues *coughcough*

- The first 3 warlocks and 2 mages you get arrive at the (heroic) instance and say, "Oh you need a key for this? Where do I get it?"

- About to pull a boss, the tank requests a misdirect to help pick up aggro on multiple mobs. Hunter wear multiple pieces of S1 says, "What's misdirect?"

- "Can we have some water?" Mage begins to furiously conjure level 60 water.

- Your druid tank with 11k HP insists he can tank Pandemonius on heroic mode. After running in and getting 1 shot, he says, "Sorry you're right" and drops group.

- After spending an hour getting a Mechanaar group together you summon everyone to the stone, only to find out 3/5 people in your group don't have a flying mount.

- Your tank insists on tanking all heroic bosses in fury gear and becomes irrate when the healer inevitably fails.

- Your paladin healer let's the entire group die, bubbles, and begins to "tank" the boss while screaming intensely that the group should run back. After explaining calmly that running back is impossible, he proclaims everyone in the group a noob, emos out, and leaves.

- Your mage/warlock is wearing level 60 greens and the "Bringer of Death". ***

- Any member of your party appears not to speak English, and/or cannot respond to any question in party except for random strings of words every 20 minutes that don't make sense. You suspect Babelfish.

- Your hunter is name "Leliusnuentkn" and its pet is either named "Boar" or "Cat". You're positive it knows rank 1 growl and nothing else.

- Your group consists of either all paladins or all druids and you. The paladin's crusader aura has been on for 20+ minutes.

- Your paladin buffs the tank with wisdom, the rogue with light, and the mage with might. Repeated attempts to sort things out only end up in silence.

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Ah, but that's the trick, isn't it? I thought the point of this thread was heroic PUGs, not guild runs. I wouldn't imagine you need a threat meter at all with your guildmates. You seemed to be coming off saying not only do you not need it, but anyone else who does is gimped somehow. I may have been misreading you, though. Not trying to pick a fight.

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My guild is fairly small so most of my runs still have a pug element to them, if not a full pug.
Edit: And I certainly don't think people are gimped for using it, the other tank in my guild uses it. I just don't see why it's needed.




...and I'll see you by the swingsets after school!

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I honestly dont understand what a tank wants with threat meter. Its not like you are suddenly going to go, "Oh wait, the dps are catching up! Perhaps I should activate righteous fury!" You should be producing the maximum amount of threat possible anyways. If some idiot dps grabs agro then they will learn fast enough why thats a bad idea as they get 2 shot by that heroic mob that hits cloth for 4k noncrit.

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the tank doesnt neccessaraly have to have the threat meter displayed to them (although it helps) they need to have it so the threat they generate is broadcasted to the dps.

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I don't get it. Sounds good to me, unless you meant you need more AoE…

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Give it time... You will understand... (Hint: Rogues stun, Fury warriors charge, Avengers shield becomes useless)

on first pull after fire boss in Mech the healer needs bandages to keep the tank alive on the mobs :) yep it happened to me.

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Give it time... You will understand... (Hint: Rogues stun, Fury warriors charge, Avengers shield becomes useless)

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lol rogues stunning after you pull, it always happens....

I get in the habit of just taunting when I see a mob is about to come out of the stun, cuz you know the rogue got aggro:P

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Wrong.

Pally spells normally generate 50% of the threat other classes' healing spells generate. RF boosts all threat caused by HOLY spells... that includes heals. Using iRF for +6% damage mitigation results in pally heals generating as much threat as a priest or druid's heals with absolutely no threat reduction at all.

It's a boneheaded move and no pally healer should ever run that self-buff. They shouldn't be taking aggro anyway, and if they do the LAST thing they need is for their heals to generate even more threat than normal so it is harder for their tank to peel it off.

Note: I am talking about 5-mans here. For raids... /boggle at this being a good idea even there.

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If the healer is pulling aggro theres already a problem the reduced damage is for aoe's

...when your flagged mage, "Beatingudead", is inside the Auchindoun dungeon, needs to get reagents, and afraid to walk out because flagged Horde are outside waiting for him. He did not realize he could just teleport to Shattrath City and fly back.

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It's a boneheaded move and no pally healer should ever run that self-buff. They shouldn't be taking aggro anyway, and if they do the LAST thing they need is for their heals to generate even more threat than normal so it is harder for their tank to peel it off.

Note: I am talking about 5-mans here. For raids... /boggle at this being a good idea even there.

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It works good for heal-tanking however, against caster mobs for instance you are still getting hit for the same so why not heal yourself as welll?

I get a sense of dread when I see, "Plaguefire has joined the group." Since then I know I'm just losing gold on this run, no matter what.

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Give it time... You will understand... (Hint: Rogues stun, Fury warriors charge, Avengers shield becomes useless)

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Oh, you meant bad Rogues and a Fury Warrior. You threw me off by mentioning "CC."

Actually, Fury Warriors don't piss me off nearly as often as Arms Warriors. I have yet to tank a run with an Arms Warrior where he didn't Charge and Mortal Strike mobs before I'd even pulled.

Worst of all is Prot Warriors who join as the fifth DPS and then start taunting every mob off me, despite being told they were there to DPS and that they should put away the shield and DPS, damnit.

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Devo Aura is horrible and so is anyone who spec's it.

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When: A hunter joins the group and is in av.

When: I check everyone's health and have to ask who is tanking.

When: I join last, get there first, and then have to summon the other three.

When: People start asking for rights to loot before the first pull.

When: I die on the first pull.

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When: A hunter joins the group and is in av.

When: I check everyone's health and have to ask who is tanking.

When: I join last, get there first, and then have to summon the other three.

When: People start asking for rights to loot before the first pull.

When: I die on the first pull.

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It's posts like this why I pray I never go crazy and decide to be a Healer. I sowwy. :(

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You're a paladin tank and your only forms of dps and CC are 2 rogues and a fury warrior.

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Well there's your problem. Replace with 2 mages and a warlock.

It depends on the pugs involved, whether it's going to be real trouble or not. PEBKAC is common no matter if it's heroic or normal, or raid, or BG/arena or whichever.

Running normal MT for my baby druid last night, the group consisted of a warlock (demo, felguard out), hunter, priest, and warrior (fury, strangely using a 2h).

Most pulls consist of: shift to bear, 10 rage, enrage to 30, pull with FFF. Before mob reaches: felguard charges and stuns, CoA pops onto mob, warrior charges and stuns. Warrior and/or felguard now tanking 1+ mob(s) before it has chance to reach safe distance. Of the nexus-terrors in the rooms after Pandemonius, one didn't reach safe distance before fearing the felguard and pet into the next room - wipe.

Add to the fact warlock never broke out succy and seduced, I saw maybe three total freezing traps the entire run, and we were without CC especially for the major 4-pulls. Sure, we downed Shaffar and the escort quest, but... Jesus H. Christ.

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Oh, you meant bad Rogues and a Fury Warrior. You threw me off by mentioning "CC."

Actually, Fury Warriors don't piss me off nearly as often as Arms Warriors. I have yet to tank a run with an Arms Warrior where he didn't Charge and Mortal Strike mobs before I'd even pulled.

Worst of all is Prot Warriors who join as the fifth DPS and then start taunting every mob off me, despite being told they were there to DPS and that they should put away the shield and DPS, damnit.

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I use a blanket statement as i have yet to find on rogue who doesn't fall somewhere in the catagory of annoyence. Not to say they are bad players, they simply just dont mesh well with paladin tanks via abilities (ie avengers shield and sap). I can say i have run many successfull runs with said group, but not normally without a burst of caffine and many sware words to my computer screen.

You pretty much covered it with warriors. Also my friend tags along at times as dps and has horsemen helm maccroed to execute and the laugh gets repetative.... very repetative...

Btw prot warriors should never join as dps lol. That is a sign of trouble right there!

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I honestly dont understand what a tank wants with threat meter. Its not like you are suddenly going to go, "Oh wait, the dps are catching up! Perhaps I should activate righteous fury!" You should be producing the maximum amount of threat possible anyways. If some idiot dps grabs agro then they will learn fast enough why thats a bad idea as they get 2 shot by that heroic mob that hits cloth for 4k noncrit.

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It's not for you to see that, it is for the rest of your party to see YOU on the meter so they can judge THEIR threat level. How in the hell would I be able to see when my threat was getting high without the tank to show up on the meter? Why would you even argue not to have one?

Remind me never to be in your party for anything.