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Frozendeath

< The Touch Of Chaos >

Terenas

0. Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 04:52:34 PM PDT

Does the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond work for casters or just melee? it's pretty misleading because the agility would naturally make u think it's for melee, but it doesn't specify and there is a thread on mage forums if they should socket it, yet they have no evidence that it works, only from what they have read.
Could we get a response on if it does or doesn't? thank you.

Jeian

Draenor

1. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 04:54:55 PM PDT

I don't think there's a mechanic that affects *all* crit damage, so I'm assuming that this means melee crit damage.

[ Post edited by Jeian ]

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Frozendeath

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Terenas

2. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 04:57:14 PM PDT

that is my exact what i was thinking, but a lot of peeps on the forums are hinting it works for spells... so i thought i'd try for a blue even though the chances are slim.

Rfalias

< Hollow Society >

Shattered Hand

3. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 04:57:55 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
+crit damage is not the same as +spell crit damage, as far as I know.

Why would you even consider a gem with agility and crit as a mage? Gonna be a Melee mage?

+crit != +spellcrit

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Frozendeath

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Terenas

4. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:02:35 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Why would you even consider a gem with agility and crit as a mage? Gonna be a Melee mage?

+crit != +spellcrit

dude if u read the question and the gem... agility does give dodge, but even so that is not what i am interested in, it's the fact of the 3% crit dmg increase, if it works for spells as well....3% is a fair amount when you are a mage and have a high crit %.

Rfalias

< Hollow Society >

Shattered Hand

5. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:06:23 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

dude if u read the question and the gem... agility does give dodge, but even so that is not what i am interested in, it's the fact of the 3% crit dmg increase, if it works for spells as well....3% is a fair amount when you are a mage and have a high crit %.

If you read my post, you will see that crit is for melee, spellcrit is for spells, they are NOT interchangeable.

You as a mage do not need to worry about agility, just no. There are equivalent meta gems for casters with + int and +spell damage or +spell crit ratings.

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Drysc

Blizzard Poster

6. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:08:06 PM PDT

Relentless Earthstorm Diamond
+12 Agility & 3% Increased Critical Damage

It's a crit damage modifier, which means it's increasing the damage your crits do, not the chance they have to happen. It isn't specific to any school or damage type, it works for spells, melee, and ranged.

Instead of getting a 100% damage bonus with a crit, you would be getting a 103% damage bonus with a crit using that meta gem.

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Snowee

Hyjal

8. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:10:40 PM PDT

Wow! That's pretty nice for a meta gem! Works for casters too to boot!

Shame that agility is no caster attribute

Ty, Drysc

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Rfalias

< Hollow Society >

Shattered Hand

9. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:11:02 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Relentless Earthstorm Diamond
+12 Agility & 3% Increased Critical Damage

It's a crit damage modifier, which means it's increasing the damage your crits do, not the chance they have to happen. It isn't specific to any school or damage type, it works for spells, melee, and ranged.

Instead of getting a 100% damage bonus with a crit, you would be getting a 103% damage bonus with a crit using that meta gem.

Ahh ok, its Crit Damage.

Then like he said sure it will work, buttt, agility on a mage? icky IMO.

Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

Snowee

Hyjal

11. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:11:50 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Ahh ok, its Crit Damage.

Then like he said sure it will work, buttt, agility on a mage? icky IMO.

Don't overpower me, Ill eat your ankles....or what's left of them

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Rfalias

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Shattered Hand

12. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:13:25 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Don't overpower me, Ill eat your ankles....or what's left of them

*Swings and gnome dodges due to meta gem*
*Over power crit for over 9000 because I have meta gem with 3% Crit damage*
*Wittle gnomie dies*
*Creates cupcakes to rez gnome*

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Arauial

< Soulbound >

Malygos

13. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:18:36 PM PDT

they should add a gem like that one with int instead of agi, same rep obviously so it's not just another grind to make the poor jewelcrafter do.

edit: looks like the troll a few posts above me agrees, high five.

[ Post edited by Arauial ]

Snowee

Hyjal

15. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:24:16 PM PDT

Remind me to store bodies in the freezer, no more Forsaken!

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Rfalias

< Hollow Society >

Shattered Hand

16. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:26:52 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Remind me to store bodies in the freezer, no more Forsaken!

*tears*

Oh and its more like a 75% chance to happen. ^_^

Here, take these completely save and yummy cupcakes in return for me not being frozen.

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Verain

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Ursin

17. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:28:17 PM PDT

So assume you don't have talents and you crit with a spell that normally crits for 150% damage (all of them without talents), does it:

-Do 153% damage, increasing the critical damage by 3% of the base?
-Do 151.5% damage, increasting the critical damage by 3% of itself?

And so if I had 5/5 lethality instead of 230% damage my hemos, SSes, etc. would hit for...

233%?
233.9%?

Snowee

Hyjal

18. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:31:09 PM PDT

I'm no theorycrafter or math mage but I think all %crit based enhancers are multiplicative, not additive

It would only make sense if it stacked with crit enhancing talents anyways.

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Drysc

Blizzard Poster

19. Re: Blue Response plz to Meta gem question. 07/25/2007 05:52:51 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
So assume you don't have talents and you crit with a spell that normally crits for 150% damage (all of them without talents), does it:

-Do 153% damage, increasing the critical damage by 3% of the base?

Yes. It's an increase of the base.

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