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What was the chest hack then?

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Do you mean the hack where players wold teleport to chests in DM, loot them, and sell the items, over and over?

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If by "massive delays" you mean "the data can be determined before the mob even spawns and then simply attached to a mob in the game world as it spawns" then yeah.

/facepalm

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That doens'treven make sense.

You facepalm with a counter scenario that is so rediculous I can only smile. Good day to you and your delusions.

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More importantly, does the light go off in your refrigerator when you close the door?

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The world may never know.

Loot is determined, at least in my opinion, not when the monster spawns, nor when the monster is killed, but the moment the monster is looted.

Anytime sooner does not make any sense whatsoever.

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Maybe you should take a look at actually understanding programming before commenting, okay?


If you'll notice, hacks in this game have been strictly contained to applications changing character location, speed, and collision. Guess what is controlled by the client in WoW?

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Again you never played this game at launch.

Add-ons would let you inspect the opposing faction, know thier levels, and anythign you wanted to know. The data was there. You may not be able to manipulate it but the early add-ons did alot.

The original wow client may not have _controlled_ much more than your listing but it recieved a ton of info it dind't need to that has sense been locked down.

IDEALLY this data should not hit the client. Guess what: It was Blizz's first MMO and much of the data did.

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That doens'treven make sense.

You facepalm with a counter scenario that is so rediculous I can only smile. Good day to you and your delusions.

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It doens't make sense to you. It makes sense to anybody who actually knows what they're talking about, twit.

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Loot is determined, at least in my opinion, not when the monster spawns, nor when the monster is killed, but the moment the monster is looted.

Anytime sooner does not make any sense whatsoever.

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If by "does not make any sense whatsoever" you mean "I don't understand anything about programming" then okay.

Is this some kind of cat death box discussion?

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Loot is generated upon creation.

As soon as you step into an instance, or a mob is created in the world, the loot that's going to drop has already been determined.

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Wow, I have wondered about that for a long time

Edit: wouldnt that take a lot more memory though? I mean, it would be more efficient (maybe?) to create the loot upon the mobs death, otherwise you have to track what each mob in the game is carrying.

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Loot is generated upon creation.

As soon as you step into an instance, or a mob is created in the world, the loot that's going to drop has already been determined.

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Fancy.

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Again you never played this game at launch.

Add-ons would let you inspect the opposing faction, know thier levels, and anythign you wanted to know. The data was there. You may not be able to manipulate it but the early add-ons did alot.

The original wow client may not have _controlled_ much more than your listing but it recieved a ton of info it dind't need to that has sense been locked down.

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I played this game at launch, so quit yapping about it like it makes you special or something.

Data being sent to the client when it requests it through an interface function has no relation to the client being able to request data about mob drops.
Blizzard has had that stuff locked down since day one. They learned with Diablo 2 what to expect from hackers.

Ugh. So that means that mob that died up on a hill where I can't loot it was destined from the beginning to have the item I wanted on it :(

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A long time ago, a person found a humanoid mob wielding a staff with the same graphic as Warden Staff. The mob dropped Warden Staff.

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This happened to one of my characters while I was in the big mine in Blasted Lands.

Thanks!

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Loot is generated upon creation.

As soon as you step into an instance, or a mob is created in the world, the loot that's going to drop has already been determined.

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Loot is generated upon creation.

As soon as you step into an instance, or a mob is created in the world, the loot that's going to drop has already been determined.

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And there's the clincher.


GG

What about quest items? Is it decided at mob creation time that a given mob will drop a quest item if a player on that quest happens to kill it? Or are quest item drops determined at the time of the kill?

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Loot is generated upon creation.

As soon as you step into an instance, or a mob is created in the world, the loot that's going to drop has already been determined.

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What are the variables in the random generator's kernel, is it based on some attribute of the players in the raid, or the raid leader? As an example we have a 100% drop rate on bows from Illidan and Archemonde after maybe 15-25 kills. Some stuff we just never see, some stuff we see with too much regularity to consider the system random.

Would it benefit us to form a raid of level 1 alts with 1 different raid leader and create an instance with that setup then invite the actual raiders after the instance is created?