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Eyonix

Blizzard Poster

61. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:43:14 AM PDT

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This boss is frustrating and cheap.We have a tank with about 16000 buffed heaath, 14000k armor and 512 defense.

Our healers are good enough that when we use more than 2 healers on trash up to prince they are bored and healing is easy. Shade and curator are easy, easy fights. Dont get me wrong, we have downed him.

But when we see the prince its either 3-4 crushing blows for 6k each or close to it and its over or infernals are bombed all over the tank and group. Either this fight needs some dam fixes and quick or we are missing something.

If we are missing something please, tell me. But ive heard from some of the servers best guilds that he is still a crap shoot and these guilds do much much harder content. Im tired of this bosses crap and call for Prince to be fixed to fun not frustration.

Assuming that you're using a warrior to tank the fight, since you didn't specify, I will provide these tips, which you might find helpful.

It's important for your tank to use shield block as often as possible during this entire encounter. Also, ideally shield wall is being saved for specific points where emergencies are likely to occur (i.e. having to move during phase 2).

Demoralizing shout should be the preferred shout. As a matter of fact, any spell or ability from anyone in the raid that grants the tank additional damage mitigation should be used.

During phase 2, all healers should be spamming the tank, keeping him/her topped off completely. Everyone else should be mindful of their own health during this phase. Outside of keeping the tank alive, this fight is about watching the environment. Do not wait until you're already boxed in to move the raid. If you look around and there is a place that an infernal could potentially drop that would block you in, move accordingly at that time.

Tanking him by the entrance to wall near the left works well. Raid marking one ranged player for the rest of the ranged (including healers) to follow when that portion of the raid has to move can be helpful. It's always important that your raid leader is helping others to watch the environment. The designated raid leader should be paying attention for others, and providing instructions during the course of this fight.

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Adahn

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Spirestone

62. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:46:09 AM PDT

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Assuming that you're using a warrior to tank the fight, since you didn't specify, I will provide these tips, which you might find helpful..

Well if they were using a druid w/ those stats I would say no %##! your tank sucks thats why you couldn't do it,

Prytanis

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Steamwheedle Cartel

65. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:48:23 AM PDT

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Only problems I've experience with Prince are the random ass one-shots on the MT that no one can explain. Combat log doesn't say 20k damage was done, the life bar was topped off, just BAM, tank dead.

I've seen it twice so far, and it's literally an instant 100%-0%. And no, it's not the Enfeeble, I remember checking. :(

We've seen this quite a few times also.

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Mys

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Korgath

66. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:52:36 AM PDT

Don't forget to use any defence potions and mke sure dps is fully buffed up with oil, elixirs, dmg food.

I think the reason this fight is hard is because it a level requires teamwork and coordination on the fly. Having 1 person in charge of moving the group helps a ton. Make sure they're talking on vent. As for the tank we found it was always better just to give him advice and let him decide where he wants to go and then ranged would move accordingly. In adition bring at least 1 pally for salve. I know on my mage if we don't have a pally there no matter how good our tank is I have to hold back. (Get a good threat meter and make certain everyone in raid is using it.) WIth salvation and hunters midirecting on the tank at all times you let your dps unleash on him. You'll find the fight goes faster when you don't have to worry about agro and your dps can put out that 20-30% more dps safely.

Oh also SAVE ALL YOUR COOLDOWNS FOR PHASE 2. I save all my trinkets and cooldowns and blow them all in stage 2. The quicker you're threw stage 2 the better chance you have of getting threw stage 3.

Don't forget to use mana pots ect. I know personaly when I was pure fire I would burn 3 major mana and 4 ranks of gems and evo on him.

Good luck

Nadezda

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Kirin Tor

68. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:54:55 AM PDT

Prince is the Vael of TBC. Your guild can reach the point where you sleepwalk through the fight but a couple of bad Burning Adrenalines and it's a wipe.

Blizzard loves tossing in the occasional encounter where luck is the deciding factor, not skill.

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Koessh

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Warsong

69. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:56:13 AM PDT

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Well if they were using a druid w/ those stats I would say no %##! your tank sucks thats why you couldn't do it,

He meant a paladin, idiot.

Mys

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Korgath

71. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:59:17 AM PDT

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The tank should be uncrushable. We had the same problem and our Pally tank rearranged his gear to become uncrushable. There is another trick to that fight that makes Prince a simple tank and spank. We one shot him every time now. I wish all the bosses in Kara were as easy as him.

How? I wasn't aware there was anything you could do in this game to avoide crushing blows 100% of the time. What is this other trick you mention that makes him a simple tank and spank? Sounds like when you could just LoS him behind the door.

Eyonix

Blizzard Poster

72. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 11:59:29 AM PDT

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Prince is the Vael of TBC. Your guild can reach the point where you sleepwalk through the fight but a couple of bad Burning Adrenalines and it's a wipe.

Blizzard loves tossing in the occasional encounter where luck is the deciding factor, not skill.

I do not agree that luck has as much influence over this fight as some perceive. A group can still easily adapt to bad infernal placement, and the tank can easily withstand the crushing blows in phase 2. This is assuming everyone is paying attention, and detailed instructions are being communicated via voice chat (if your guild needs such instructions).

Vithigar

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Perenolde

75. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 12:02:10 PM PDT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBD3F-3Q7E0

"I'm all buffed up going into phase two."

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Kosaine

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Bonechewer

76. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 12:04:57 PM PDT

What the hell? Forum moderators don't provide advice on how to beat ingame challenges - remember?

Okay, since you're giving advice, how do I gear my mage so he does damage comparable or better than a warlock, but can still dps for the full duration on long fights, for instance every fight after Gruul?

Or are mages just designed to not function on long fights? Or were we designed to wear tons of spirit and spec for arcane mediatation and not particularly do very much damage? Were we designed to be attached at the hip to shadow priests, and healers really shouldn't get them in their group?

Tell me the answers, you strange advice-giving blue!

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Stewball

Alleria

78. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 12:06:39 PM PDT

The total randomness on where the infernals drop makes it a pretty hard fight if the infernals land on the melee that are attking him its pretty much GG or if they land on the casters/healers its GG. The problem with that fight (atleast for my guild) is that we usually wipe on him untill the infernals drop way over in the corner area. Don't tell me its not luck because the fight is like rolling dice untill you get the right numbers.

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Vithigar

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Perenolde

79. Re: Prince needs fixes! 07/20/2007 12:07:25 PM PDT

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DPS gains aggro, tank gets Enfeebled, dead.

They even had KTM.

I've had this conversation several times already. If KTM was accurate then the dps was nowhere near the tank in aggro (like, a 40k buffer). The tank's combat log also had no mention of enfeeble in it.

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