Confirmed:

Immolate still gets the exact same bonuses as it does currently

Direct Damage portion gets 20%, the DoT gets 65%.

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Q u o t e:
Confirmed:

Immolate still gets the exact same bonuses as it does currently

Direct Damage portion gets 20%, the DoT gets 65%.

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Sounds about right, small cast time, small DoT. So it shouldn't anyhow, I would think.

PS: make more movies

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So...

Entangling Roots lasts 27 seconds.

27 / 15 * 100 = 180%

500 +damage * 180% = 900

Level 68 roots = 351

1251 damage over 27 seconds

Add in "Brambles"-- 75% more roots damage.

2190 damage! Bwhahahahahahahahahah! I love you, OP, for finding this!

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It probably suffers a penalty because of the roots effect.

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/agree

The point is. I will be a affliction Lock. That means I will focus on DoTs. I don't really want to spec demonology to have better DoTs, as affliction won't improve the - now - better DoT: CoD. For the moment, a demonology lock will have better DoTs than an affliction lock

Better "affliction build": http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=NAMr0RfkqZcxczfiz0xo

Get Succy out, set to passive if she could be killed. Otherwise, macro it to attack with your first dot.

Compared to someone that went 41 points into affliction, with the aforementioned built you:
Gain:
DS (not used in my calculation, but usedful for HP regen, for example)
+5% dmg (Unh. Pow.), +10% (MD Succy), +3% SL = +18% dmg to fire and shadow

Lose:
-5% dmg to Corruption ONLY. (or seed of corruption) and CoA (not used in long fights, so nothing).

At the same time, this build offers additionally:
Soul Link (around 50% dmg reduction in the end)
the versatility of MD and DS
Good PvP boost as you play with your demons and they are enhanced by your spec.

You lose Dark Pact, Instant Cast HoT... only this.

/shrug

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Your missing something important: You won't be using either CoA or CoD.

You will be using either CoS, CoR, or CoE :|

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It probably suffers a penalty because of the roots effect.

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In addition with roots alone doing 2000+ damage now long do you think the roots will last?

Will probably break after 1 or 2 ticks.

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Sounds about right, small cast time, small DoT. So it shouldn't anyhow, I would think.

PS: make more movies

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The dot portion really NEEDS to get the full bonus, same with regrowth and moonfire. Simply put, those spells scale really badly.

Confirmed:

Dark Pact receives 96% of your +damage gear in the beta.

base: 545 mana from pet.

+472 dmg = 998 - 545 / 472 = .959
+273 dmg = 808 - 545 / 273 = .963
+175 dmg = 713 - 545 / 175 = .96

Does drain mana get any bonus? it should get some :(

bump

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hahaha, this is so hot! Damn, 400% on CoD, that's intense. I wonder if that will change the numbers on which is better for raid DPS: CoA or CoD? (Granted, that arguement is probably mostly academic; I realize we'll still be casting CoR or CoE a majority of the time)

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the question is more: how excited are we for the next mind control spam boss?

$5000 says that the cursing mind controlled players 'bug' gets mysteriously unfixed in BC

Bump

Bump.

Sticky please? Because I don't really want to have to bump it every couple of hours, especially since lots of people want to read it, not necessarily post. :|

This is the dumbest change I've seen blizzard make in the expansion. DOT's are overpowered already, why would you buff them. Sure it takes some time to do their damage but a lot of them are instant cast and suffer no penalty from it and most other instant cast spells have long cooldowns which limit their DPS just like a DOT's is limited and they suffer a big DPS nerf from being instant.

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This is the dumbest change I've seen blizzard make in the expansion. DOT's are overpowered already, why would you buff them. Sure it takes some time to do their damage but a lot of them are instant cast and suffer no penalty from it and most other instant cast spells have long cooldowns which limit their DPS just like a DOT's is limited and they suffer a big DPS nerf from being instant.

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So you are saying that arcane missles should be scaled back to 100%? Or pyro back from 171 to 100%?

It sure sounds like it.

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So you are saying that arcane missles should be scaled back to 100%? Or pyro back from 171 to 100%?

It sure sounds like it.

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I don't really have a problem with channelled spells getting a buff since they scream counterspell/kick/pummel me so they have a built in weakness. Pyroblast is a bit unique in that its mostly useless in PvP without using a timed talent ability to cast it, I'd have no problems with it being scaled back to 100% if its doing too much damage when combined with AP.

However CoA, SW:P, corruption etc do not need a buff in any way, they are strong enough in PvP already. They already scale better in PvP than almost any other spells that are usable in PvP since anything with more than a 2 sec cast time is iffy to use in PvP. This change probably makes sense from a PvE standpoint but its going to overpower DOT's in PvP.

If they really wanted to be fair with this they would apply the cast time damage penalty to the DOT's after applying the formula above.

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If they really wanted to be fair with this they would apply the cast time damage penalty to the DOT's after applying the formula above.

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They can apply the instant coefficient. No worries there. Because to be fair, they have to use the 3.5 second standard to judge the uncapped coefficient. Wouldn't make sense to use the 15 second standard . . . since dots would be following the same guidelines as DD.

Corruption: 2.0 second cast before talents.

2.0/3.5 x 18/3.5 = 294% Yikes.


CoA: 1.5 Second modifier
1.5/3.5x24/3.5 = 294% Yikes

You can see where this is going. Dots really do need to follow a different formula to avoid being OP.

This is awesome news!!!

Has anyone done the calculation for how much damage CoA, Immolate, Siphon Life, Corruption and Unstable affliction would do...given +800 spell damage (should be easily attainable) and all the +damage skills from the affliction tree?

I'm lazy and not the greatest at math...someone please crunch the numbers for me

Also...this should be stickied...isn't there some special mail or something to which we send sticky requests?