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Nethaera
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  • 0. Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:06:36 AM PST
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With the release of patch 2.3.0, players have seen many changes to the way that honor gain occurs in Battlegrounds and most noticeably in Alterac Valley. Many aspects of this battleground have been changed to promote a more strategic event and rewards players for participating in many aspects of the battleground. Despite the changes made, the overall intention of these changes is to maintain a level of honor gain that players have become accustomed to as well as maintain pacing of how long the matches may last. Prior to the changes implemented in patch 2.3.0, honor gains were less consistent in how they were calculated, there were long games, extra-long games, short games, and holiday bonus honor calculations all factored in. With the patch, we have better simplified and defined this for active participants in these matches.

With these changes has also come some confusion in regard to where honor bonus comes from during holiday weekends as well as how best for players to optimize gaining bonus honor within the battlegrounds. To help clear up this confusion, we have taken the time to put together more information.

Diminishing Returns


It’s important for players to understand the nature of gaining honor and what role diminishing returns plays with this. Diminishing returns on honor occurs over time as you kill the same opponent. For each kill you make past the initial kill, the honor gained for it is reduced by 10%. After ten kills of the same opponent, that player is no longer worth any honor.

Estimated Honor

Estimated Honor will show an amount of honor that does not factor in diminishing returns. This number can be less depending on whether or not you had a lot of kills where diminishing returns were applied. Honor is shared among players in a Raid when they are within range of a kill. When fractions of a kill or decimal amounts of honor are gained by a kill, the User Interface will round the estimated honor up to show one Honor point gained. Given enough time what shows as ten Honor points, could actually only be five Honor points gained.

Daily honor calculations can also cause estimated honor to appear larger than what it actually is. If a player plays prior to the honor calculations being run, and then during or shortly after, the estimated honor may appear as a part of the previous day’s totals. In actuality, this honor applies to the next day and will be correctly calculated the next night when the next batch of honor calculations are run.

Regular Honor vs. Holiday Honor

Some weekends are considered Holiday weekends for a particular battleground. Envoys for the holiday battleground will be located within the major cities. Holiday weekends grant bonus honor for meeting particular goals within the battleground.

The chart below shows the amount of regular honor and holiday bonus honor for each of the battlegrounds as well as the reputation gains.

It is important to note the following: one kill= 20.9 honor at level 70.

*Map Complete refers to the bonus honor awarded on holiday weekends for both the winning and losing teams when the match has concluded.

Alterac Valley


Bonus Honor 	          Normal	     Holiday

Tower Destruction 3 Kill(s) 3 Kill(s)
Enemy NPC Kill 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)
Captain Kill 3 Kill(s) 3 Kill(s)
General Kill 4 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s)
Map Complete 0 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s)
Per owned Graveyard 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)
Live Captain 2 Kill(s) 2 Kill(s)
Per Undestroyed Tower 2 Kill(s) 2 Kill(s)
Per Owned Mine 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)

Reputation Normal Holiday
Tower Destruction 12 18
Enemy NPC Kill 5 5
Captain Kill 125 185
General Kill 350 525
Map Complete 0 0
Per owned Graveyard 12 18
Live Captain 125 175
Per Undestroyed Tower 12 18
Per Owned Mine 24 36



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  • 1. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:19:19 AM PST
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Warsong Gulch 


Honor Normal Holiday
Flag Capture 2 Kill(s) 2 Kill(s)
Win 1 Kill(s) 3 Kill(s)
Map Complete 2 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s)

Reputation Normal Holiday
Flag Capture 35 45
Win -- --



Arathi Basin

Honor Normal Holiday
Honor per resource 1 Kill(s) per 330 resources 1 Kill(s) per 200 resources
Win 1 Kill(s) 1 Kill(s)
Map Complete 1 Kill(s) 1 Kill(s)

Reputation Normal Holiday
Reputation per resource 10 per 200 resources 10 per 150 resources
Win 0 0



Eye of the Storm

Honor Normal Holiday
Honor per resource 1 Kill(s) per 330 resources 1 Kill(s) per 200 resources
Win 1 Kill(s) 1 Kill(s)
Map Complete 1 Kill(s) 1 Kill(s)

Reputation Normal Holiday
Reputation per resource NO REP available NO REP available

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  • Archimonde
  • 2. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:20:42 AM PST
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THANKS! Great explanation.

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  • Moonrunner
  • 5. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:22:51 AM PST
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thanks for the references
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  • Llane
  • 7. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:24:37 AM PST
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Nice :) TY

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  • 8. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:24:56 AM PST
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80 bonus honor per game.

That's all you really had to say.

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  • Dark Iron
  • 9. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:26:02 AM PST
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WOO

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  • 10. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:26:30 AM PST
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I am underwhelmed.
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  • Hellscream
  • 12. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:28:34 AM PST
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nice, thankls

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  • Feathermoon
  • 14. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:29:32 AM PST
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cool

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  • Norgannon
  • 16. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:30:10 AM PST
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Maybe I am missing something on the AV chart, Naethera, but I don't see any differences in honor for AV weekend versus regular play. I see differences in reputation but none for honor. I think this is what has had the playerbase so concerned. Personally I have Exalted faction for AV so reputation means nothing to me. I am sure there are many who are the same way.

Edit: I went back again and reviewed the AV chart and still see only one difference between regular and AV weekend bonus.

Alterac Valley


Bonus Honor Normal Holiday

Tower Destruction 3 Kill(s) 3 Kill(s)

Enemy NPC Kill 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)

Captain Kill 3 Kill(s) 3 Kill(s)

General Kill 4 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s)

Map Complete 0 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s) [This is only difference; and how often does this occur except on Stormstrike for the Horde?]

Per owned Graveyard 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)

Live Captain 2 Kill(s) 2 Kill(s)

Per Undestroyed Tower 2 Kill(s) 2 Kill(s)

Per Owned Mine 0 Kill(s) 0 Kill(s)

If my analysis is correct, then maybe one game out of fifty might provide weekend bonus honor except for Horde on Stormstrike who will get it every game after they have stood in the 2 to 3 hour queues. This bonus certainly is not going to bring the Alliance on Stormstrike back to AV even for bonus honor weekend.

Personally I think Blizzard has made an extremely bad mistake with their changes to AV in 2.3, and frankly I will not play AV until and unless something changes especially for those of us unlucky enough to be in the Stormstrike battlegroup.

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  • Korgath
  • 17. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:30:58 AM PST
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Thanks, this is pretty much the best post I've seen here :)

edit: for the people who missed it, you get 4 kills worth of credit for completing the map in the holiday weekend (83.6 @ level 70)

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Nethaera
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  • 18. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:32:53 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
Maybe I am missing something on the AV chart, Naethera, but I don't see any differences in honor for AV weekend versus regular play. I see differences in reputation but none for honor. I think this is what has had the playerbase so concerned. Personally I have Exalted faction for AV so reputation means nothing to me. I am sure there are many who are the same way.


The bonus is in the map complete at the end of the match. If you look, you'll see during normal BG days, it's 0. For the Holiday it's 4. While it may seem small, it can add up especially if you get all the other honor from the Battleground through attacking/defending etc.

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  • 19. Re: Honor and Battleground Holiday Weekends   12/20/2007 10:34:58 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
Maybe I am missing something on the AV chart, Naethera, but I don't see any differences in honor for AV weekend versus regular play. I see differences in reputation but none for honor. I think this is what has had the playerbase so concerned. Personally I have Exalted faction for AV so reputation means nothing to me. I am sure there are many who are the same way.


Map Complete 0 Kill(s) 4 Kill(s)

We get 80 bonus honor for winning.

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