PW:F is fine.....intel on the other hand.....11 whopping point increase from the version we had at 60? That is lame as can be.

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/shrug I have over 1300 stamina unbuffed in stamina gear

kings is a blessing (lol) fort is a convenience

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Good god that's a lot of hps.

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Q u o t e:
Dear OP, You are a :

[ ] Moron
[ ] Loser
[ ] Ganker
[ ] 12 Year Old
[ ] Twink
[ ] Troll
[ ] Nerfherder
[ ] l337 d00d
[ X ] Whiner
[ ] Fruit of the Stupid Tree
[ ] Other

You are being flamed because:
[ ] You forgot to search. This is in the common suggestions thread and still posted too many times a day to anything else with you.
[ X ] You posted a "Nerf Pallies!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Buff Pallies!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Nerf Shaman!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Buff Shaman!" thread.
[ X ] You posted a "Class is Overpowered" thread.
[ X ] You need to lean to play your class.
[ X ] You need to learn to play the game.
[ ] You have no concept of class balance.
[] You're just an idiot.
[ ] You posted a Omg-i-got-ganked thread.
[ ] Your model brain is defective, leave until you have one that works.
[ ] You have an unhealthy fixation on horses.
[ ] You lost a fight to my class and came here to cry about it.
[ ] Someone told you my class was easy to beat, you found out otherwise, and now you're complaining.
[ ] You posted a total lack of understanding about my class .
[ ] You posted a total lack of understanding about your class.
[ ] You don't know which forum to post in.
[ X ] You made a ridiculous claim.
[ ] I don't like your tone of voice.
[ ] You fell from "the tree."
[ X ] You posted false information.
[ ] You just plain suck.
[ ] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS.
[ ] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums.
[ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd.
[ ] Youhavenotlearnedthepointofpuncuationsuchasspacingcommasandperiods.
[ ] You are too stupid to argue with.
[ ] You are extraordinarily bad at [detecting ()/posting ()] sarcasm.

In punishment, you must:
[ ] Play a paladin to level 70.
[ ] /delete yourself
[ ] Suffer at least three nerfs.
[ ] Play a FULL demon spec Warlock to 70.
[ ] Drink out of a spitoon.
[ ] Fetch me a shrubbery.
[ ] Help defeat MCP.
[ ] Go aggro the murloc.
[ X ] Apologize to everybody on this forum.
[ ] Get to 60
[ ] All of the above.

In closing, I'd like to say:
[ ] Stop stinking up the gene pool.
[ ] Get a life.
[] Never post again.
[ ] I've found more intelligent things floating in the toilet.
[] STFU.
[ ] Learn to post
[ ] All of the above
[ X ] No one Cares

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This is pure win. I'm gonna use this in the future.

Not that I am complaining about AI, but AI only went up a "whopping" 9 points from our lvl 60 version.

You could get 9 more int from what you had in just about any piece of low lvl 62ish gear quest reward.

However, the buffs mean little anymore as:

Shamans, Priests, Mages, Warlocks, and now Hunters

can dispell your buffs. You go into a BG or Arena fully buffed, expect those buffs to be gone within 5 minutes

I really, really wish Mark of the Wild could get some help (Improved Mark of the Wild even more). It buffs everything, but at the end of the day... does anyone actually notice if MotW isn't on anyone? :(

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Understood.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cho%27gall&n=Trumpcard

You don't represent the average player, and kudos to you. :P

Stating that many players are above the 1000 base stamina mark isn't very accurate.

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Eh, at a certain level it's easy for tanks to get to it, but no one else, so it's not a big deal.



What is a big deal is this talent and many others in Disc not being in Holy like all druids have their imp mark of the wild talent in theirs. But no Blue will ever comment on such things, right?

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Q u o t e:
Dear OP, You are a :

[ ] Moron
[ ] Loser
[ ] Ganker
[ ] 12 Year Old
[ ] Twink
[ ] Troll
[ ] Nerfherder
[ ] l337 d00d
[ X ] Whiner
[ ] Fruit of the Stupid Tree
[ ] Other

You are being flamed because:
[ ] You forgot to search. This is in the common suggestions thread and still posted too many times a day to anything else with you.
[ X ] You posted a "Nerf Pallies!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Buff Pallies!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Nerf Shaman!" thread.
[ ] You posted a "Buff Shaman!" thread.
[ X ] You posted a "Class is Overpowered" thread.
[ X ] You need to lean to play your class.
[ X ] You need to learn to play the game.
[ ] You have no concept of class balance.
[] You're just an idiot.
[ ] You posted a Omg-i-got-ganked thread.
[ ] Your model brain is defective, leave until you have one that works.
[ ] You have an unhealthy fixation on horses.
[ ] You lost a fight to my class and came here to cry about it.
[ ] Someone told you my class was easy to beat, you found out otherwise, and now you're complaining.
[ ] You posted a total lack of understanding about my class .
[ ] You posted a total lack of understanding about your class.
[ ] You don't know which forum to post in.
[ X ] You made a ridiculous claim.
[ ] I don't like your tone of voice.
[ ] You fell from "the tree."
[ X ] You posted false information.
[ ] You just plain suck.
[ ] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS.
[ ] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums.
[ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd.
[ ] Youhavenotlearnedthepointofpuncuationsuchasspacingcommasandperiods.
[ ] You are too stupid to argue with.
[ ] You are extraordinarily bad at [detecting ()/posting ()] sarcasm.

In punishment, you must:
[ ] Play a paladin to level 70.
[ ] /delete yourself
[ ] Suffer at least three nerfs.
[ ] Play a FULL demon spec Warlock to 70.
[ ] Drink out of a spitoon.
[ ] Fetch me a shrubbery.
[ ] Help defeat MCP.
[ ] Go aggro the murloc.
[ X ] Apologize to everybody on this forum.
[ ] Get to 60
[ ] All of the above.

In closing, I'd like to say:
[ ] Stop stinking up the gene pool.
[ ] Get a life.
[] Never post again.
[ ] I've found more intelligent things floating in the toilet.
[] STFU.
[ ] Learn to post
[ ] All of the above
[ X ] No one Cares

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1. yes I know I'm a whiner. That just comes naturally to me most of the time, especially in bad moods like today.

2. I did not say anything about nerfing anyone or that any class is OP. I just whined to try to get a buff to my best buff. I know how to play my class, I just wanted to make it easier.

3. I did not post anything false. just that I wanted a buff to fort, so my buff would be wanted more. Kind of like Coke trying to come up with a different formula to increase the sales of their already overpowered soft drink.

4. I will not apologize to anyone. I said what I said. I stand by it.

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I don't think there is anything to gain by comparing blessing of kings to power word: fortitude. Both are unique and have their advantages. The stamina gained by your buff is significant, even without the improving talents. Also, ideally you're in a group or raid environment where players have both kings and power word: fortitude.

Though that's not always going to happen, obviously. There is much more I can say on this topic, but I'll let others elaborate further.

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K what advantages pw:f has over kings?

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Actually, I was thinking lately that PW:F should scale because of the stamina changes in TBC. From 60 to 70 HP increased somewhere in the area of 100%, while PW:F increased slightly over 50% (54 to 79).

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GO BACK TO MATH CLASS. SOMEWHERE, A MATHEMATICIAN JUST EXPLODED

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K what advantages pw:f has over kings?

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A very healthy static increase.

10% more stam on a priest in PMC and Whitemend... ya... no.
Mages? Not so much...

It gets everyone up, not just those that already are.

First off I'd like to say... why would you want to make the BoK buff lesser? in PvP 50% of the time someone gives you this buff. In PvE you should get this buff and fort at the same time! (that's even better!) and if you ask blizz to buff fort, they may just give BoK a 5% buff instead of 10% :( why would anyone want that? Also, it's not like the alliance is the only with with that buff now... EVERYONE can have it! And its not like it can't be casted on everyone, so it can benefit YOU too!
ALSO, all those talking about how much TANKS get from fort... there are still 4 other people and then maybe more if in a raid that get this buff... it is significant for say... a mage or priest who doesn't have the 1000+ stamina base that warriors have.
I just don't understand the argument here... everyone benefits from both buffs, some more than others (rogues benefit prob more and warlocks too from the fort buff I'd say)...
I do; however, agree with one thing... the cost to buff mana-wise and reagent-wise for a priest can be expensive. Me, as a druid does not spend nearly as much mana on a full group buff as priests or mages for that matter, and I have more mana or as much as both of them. but please do not make my buff cost more mana :( that would be sad... just make theirs cost less :)
That is all.

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There's a blue, quick ask all your questions in one sentence!

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omg when are the 2v2 queues gonna be fixed?

Buff druids!

Nerf warriors!

Buff Shamans!

Nerf rogues!

Nerf locks!

What are the lottery numbers?

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I don't think there is anything to gain by comparing blessing of kings to power word: fortitude. Both are unique and have their advantages. The stamina gained by your buff is significant, even without the improving talents. Also, ideally you're in a group or raid environment where players have both kings and power word: fortitude.

Though that's not always going to happen, obviously. There is much more I can say on this topic, but I'll let others elaborate further.

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The scaling mechanisms of the two are completely different. As gear increases, Blessing of Kings will continue to become more powerful, while PWF will stay the same (or, stated in terms of percentage increases in effectiveness, PWF will diminish faster than BoK--these are different descriptions of the same mathematical trends).

Making all stats follow exponential curves, as I have suggested, would eliminate this problem nicely.

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While the latest mana reduction has helped our most helpful buff, it still has some issues. Namely, it doesn't scale.

The pally buff, Blessing of Kings, gives a flat 10%, so even a level 28 pally can buff the high level characters and they get the full effect. Even at level 70, the greater blessing of kings costs less mana than ours, and uses a cheaper reagent. Granted, at 10%, it doesn't quite match the health buff of Fort, but it has other advantages. Blessing of Kings is the undisputed best buff in the game.

Perhaps making PW:F one rank and a 20% health buff for a certain % of base mana would be worth it. Then make the group version 3 times the cost of the single rank. It would, of course, have to cost more than the pally buff.

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The apple is so much more red than this orange orange, for less money I can buy the apple that is full red.

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The apple is so much more red than this orange orange, for less money I can buy the apple that is full red.

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A buff is a buff. What matters is how it increases effectiveness. Blessing of Kings is a buff that will continue to increase in raw benefit as the target gears up. Few other buffs are capable of such scaling.

How about PW:Frikkin Sucks?

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A buff is a buff. What matters is how it increases effectiveness. Blessing of Kings is a buff that will continue to increase in raw benefit as the target gears up. Few other buffs are capable of such scaling.

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Few other buffs also require points in a talent tree.
Paladins are also a 'buff' class, Why shouldn't they get one of the best buffs?...someone has to have the best one.