I levelled my first character to 58 when BC came out, and consequently, I have never gotten to see any of the endgame content from level 60. Nobody wants to run those dungeons anymore. As soon as you're 58, head to outlands. It seems like such a waste! Dungeons on the way up still get used, but not the endgame ones. You should fix that.

Here is a proposal for a way to do that :

Make them doable as 5 man instances (say by level 65ish) so they are PuGable, and have new drops in them that ONLY drop in those instances, but can be used to create sweet rares and epics.

For instance, if you want, say, an UberMaceOCasting for your Paladin, you need to collect a Molten Core Lava Orb (Held in Offhand), WitchDoctor Staff (2h caster staff) from ZG, FelLeather from a BC endgame instance, and maybe a FelStrider Toe (or somesuch world boss drop) for the counterweight on the end of the mace. Combine these four blue drops and you get an epic mace for your Paladin. This will encourage people to run the old end-game instances, as well as tie them into new dungeons. When new expansions come out, new recipies combining stuff from all the endgame dungeons (60-80) would be available.

You'd need to tinker with the endgame dungeons a little to keep 5 level 80's from breezing MC, maybe by having the monster levels scale to the average level of the party, (Or median, which would let up to 2 high guys help out lower level guildies get through tough instances) but at least people who weren't raiding before BC came out SEE some of these instances, and will let you keep the BC end game instances pertinant.

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It's not going to happen. MC has had it's time come and go. It's time to move on.

No.

No more MC.

Ever.

Please.

Hear, hear.

I'm sure we're only 1.851 patches away from that!

If Blizz were to make MC usefull again you know that all that would happen would be a quest that requires you to dip some item in the lava where rag is to harden or fuze it.


do you really want that?

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Nobody wants to run those dungeons anymore. As soon as you're 58, head to outlands. It seems like such a waste! Dungeons on the way up still get used, but not the endgame ones. You should fix that.

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You say nobody, but yet you want to run it yourself. I'm sure you can find 39 other people that share the same feelings.

Blizzard can't force people to run content.

I've been trying to organize ZG raids myslef with little luck. You aren't alone out there, but you are a minority.

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No.

No more MC.

Ever.

Please.

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Agreed.

I had 3 pre-BC toons exalted w/ hydraxian (neither were this guy). @%!* MC.

I do miss BWL sometimes though.

Go there at 70, you're not missing out on much. It's the most ugly PoS I have ever seen. I thoguht it would be a magnificant cave with lava flowing, lavafalls, interesting cave formations.... boy was I wrong! And the trash, even clearing it out at 70 is a chore. No wonder it was called Molten Chore.

And the bosses.. that Barron guy (flame elemental) with the mana burn debuff...... how do you do that with 40 people at 60, just cleanse/dispel all the freaking fight? Horrible boss.

can we force all mages to spec frost, hunters to spec marks and make warlocks sit outside till garr?

Tear down the instance wall, and just let us go in there and do the quest... Ragnaros will be 61 elite. You can get 3 people, take down Ragnaros, and you can choose between a super-sweet 21 AP trinket, that a use of increase your crit rating! It'd be awesome... To see those poor guys getting slaughtered by three people, or 1 70.

A lot of people ran MC many, many times and are just plain sick of it. The fights weren't all that exciting, the scenery not very interesting, and there's really not a need for it to be redone. Naxx was a different story since so few people ever made it in there, hence reusing it for the next expansion.

Let's let MC rest in peace, shall we?

I still think that MC/BWL/DM/ZG should all be made into guild housing and the original forms of the instances be moved to caverns of time.

First guild to clear any of the above instances gets to claim it for their guild and make the zone the territory of their faction. A guild can only hold rights to 1 instance at any time. Then allow other guilds/factions to place challenges on the place so they don't become permanent to the guild and must be defended in order to be kept.

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I....at least people who weren't raiding before BC came out SEE some of these instances, and will let you keep the BC end game instances pertinant.

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I'll save a blue the trouble and reply.

If all you want to do is SEE MC, there is nothing stopping you from finding 39 other 60's, or significantly less level 70's and clearing the place. There are many people who never raided Molten Core and i'm sure you could find the people who would be interested.

If no one wants to do it because there's "no loot worth getting", then there are plenty of current end game instances where you can go to aquire said loot.

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No.

No more MC.

Ever.

Please.

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This.


Guys. GUYS. You aren't missing anything, we promise. There's nothing exciting in MC. Never has been. Molten Core was nothing but an exercise in how well you could play your class AFK.

I'm not trying to suggest that they should make it so that you have to farm these instances again. I'm just saying they could make them worth visiting again.

How?

Custom Epics, like I suggested above. And by reworking them a bit so you can PuG them instead of needing a 45 man guild only raid.

You want a 2H mace? Plate Helm? (XXXXX) shoulder for your (YYYY) class?

Pick one of the recipies, go collect the goodies from 4-6 dungeons/world bosses and bob's your uncle. If they set the drop rate on them correctly, you shouldn't have to run a dungeon/boss more than a few times to collect 'your' drop.

The 'custom' epic should, of course, not be as good as the top level stuff available by finally getting to the point of beating the last endgame dungeon, but it SHOULD be good enough to let you fill in your missing parts.

When the next expansion comes online, you'll have new, cooler custom epics available, requiring stuff from all sorts of new and old end-dungeons.

And when I say 'custom' epics, I mean custom. If you can make an epic wand with 3 core parts, and 3 enahncement parts, you could create a spiffy wand for YOUR character. Need a wand with +Y fire damage? Grab something from MC. +Z shadow damage? No need to head to MC, look for something in NAXX maybe. Want mana mp5? Gotta go somewhere else. Stats boost? Better take down a dragon for a drop of its blood!

It would definately take some balancing, but you'd see a lot more variety in gear, and a lot more reuse of endgame content.

And since the customs wouldn't be able to get as high of bonuses as the truly epic T6+ stuff, you're still rewarded for pushing through the hard endgame content NOW. Also, you wouldn't ever HAVE to run those dungeons if you didn't want to. Only if you're looking to make yourself a fun bit of loot.

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We've just gotten off the phone with Majordomo Executus who has apparently been reading this thread, and he's asked that players please let his master sleep.

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You didn't talk to him you liar! Put him on the phone. I'd like to have a word.

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We've just gotten off the phone with Majordomo Executus who has apparently been reading this thread, and he's asked that players please let his master sleep.

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