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Takun
  • Magtheridon
  • 0. How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:06:00 AM PST
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Well recently I noticed that the estimations for honor are way off more so than usual after the patch. So I'm wondering how exactly does Blizzard or the game determine how much honor Im suppose to get. Honestly not fun when the estimation says ~9102 and the next day you see you only received 6998, which then makes me have to wait another day to purchase a piece because I didn't receive the honor I was suppose to get or even close to it.
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  • 2. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:11:18 AM PST
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...which then makes me have to wait another day to purchase a piece...


Oh no you have to wait one more day. I would sue Blizzard if I were you, or cry on the forums, oh wait, you are doing that.
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  • 3. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:13:43 AM PST
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Only God knows.

FYI: most computer programs see themselves as gods of the cyberworld.
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Drysc
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  • 4. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:15:59 AM PST
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There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.

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Takun
  • Magtheridon
  • 5. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:16:45 AM PST
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...which then makes me have to wait another day to purchase a piece...


Oh no you have to wait one more day. I would sue Blizzard if I were you, or cry on the forums, oh wait, you are doing that.


I think your really exaggerating.

Not like my post was being condescending. I was just wondering how things worked out.
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  • 6. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:17:38 AM PST
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Welcome to ~honor.

Everyone hopping into the BGs for the first time seem to need to make a post about this every 5 minutes. It's an estimate. DEAL WITH IT!


At lvl 1, what would you know about battlegrounds... or even honor for that matter?

Or are you too scared to post on your main so we can check out your horrible gear.

Anyway. I agree with the OP. Since 2.3, something really screwy has been going on with the estimated honor.

Previously, you could expect it to be off by ~50-100 per couple thousand honor. Now it is off by nearly 1/3 in some cases from my experience.

I read another post yesterday where someone did a test to show that the daily BG quest honor was not getting added.

Many many people have brought this topic up, but no blue response yet.

Edit: speaking of blue posts ^^^.

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Takun
  • Magtheridon
  • 7. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:18:04 AM PST
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There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.


Thank you for the information.
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Nephius
  • Korgath
  • 8. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:20:14 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.


Drysc just an fyi but the honor mod I use and the bliz estimate stay pretty close until I turn in my battleground daily quest. Then my bliz estimate ends up ~400-~450 higher than the honor mod (ie the bliz estimate appears to be doubling the honor daily).

It also seems that the diminishing returns from kills is adding up to a lot more than it use to (presumably this is from more kills in av).
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  • 9. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:21:17 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.


And what about that bug that appear everytime you change zones after you complete a BG daily quest? Everytime you change zone, your estimated honor get an additionnal +419 honor which is obviously not counted the next day. I've seen multiple people talking about that bug, i hope it will be fixed for the next patch because it is annoying. My estimated and real honor gain were always about the same before 2.3, but now there is always a difference of over 400 honor.
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  • 10. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:21:42 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.



am sorry but you are wrong
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG with estimates honor

On my hunter i got 4352 estimate with 45 HK ... that right 45 HK... i defended a tower every AV .. or i was AFK (think what you want i dont care)
The bottom line is i got 4352 estimate with 45 HK
Next day 1495 honor

THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG
please look into it

Thanks
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  • 11. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:21:50 AM PST
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Welcome to ~honor.

Everyone hopping into the BGs for the first time seem to need to make a post about this every 5 minutes. It's an estimate. DEAL WITH IT!


Oh how I love it when people are too scared to post on their mains.

Grow some balls dude.
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  • 12. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:23:19 AM PST
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Pretty sure I don't kill enough people in 2 or 3 BG's to have my honor off by 3-400.

There's something wrong since one of the recent patches, and no it's not a mod I have.
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  • 13. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:23:45 AM PST
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There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day. While we record those diminishing returns we don't calculate them at the time they occur, as it would require a large amount of server resources to accomplish. We've made improvements in this area of course, and will continue striving towards continual improvement of all in-game systems.

If you're in games with the same opponents over and over it's likely your estimate could be much higher than the honor you actually receive. Obviously though the bonus honor is added and doesn't have to be calculated, so that portion of your honor gains are "guaranteed".

There are some UI mods that track the diminishing returns client-side, which is a bit messy and not something we've found to be a solid solution for us to implement, but they do work well enough and can give you a good view of your honor as you gain it.


Hey Drysc,

I've seen posts of people claiming that there is a bug with the daily BG quest honor bonus where the bonus is awarded to the player... then awarded AGAIN several minutes later. However, when the honor is finalized on the following day, none of the daily quest honor is actually added to the characters total.

Have you heard anything about this?
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Notboblet
  • Korgath
  • 14. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:24:04 AM PST
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Very, very carefully.

Except not.
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  • 15. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:24:27 AM PST
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There are diminishing returns on honor when killing the same opponent. With each kill (of the same opponent) the honor gain is reduced by 10%. After 10 kills that opponent is no longer worth any points until the next day


So that's why it always says I'm worth no honor. I die so much in a single round, I become worthless to them. Cool !
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Drysc
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  • 16. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:25:39 AM PST
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And what about that bug that appear everytime you change zones after you complete a BG daily quest? Everytime you change zone, your estimated honor get an additionnal +419 honor which is obviously not counted the next day. I've seen multiple people talking about that bug, i hope it will be fixed for the next patch because it is annoying. My estimated and real honor gain were always about the same before 2.3, but now there is always a difference of over 400 honor.


I like to call that the "lol psych!" bug, it's known, and slated to be corrected in an upcoming patch. It is a bit annoying I agree.
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Arachnoid
  • Scarlet Crusade
  • 17. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:26:09 AM PST
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I have never noticed that big of a difference personally. But, since the daily bg's have beein implemented, I usually see a 2-400 honor variance, if by some slim chance of fate I am able to complete it.

Edited for: FIRST!!

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Mayjor
  • Stormscale
  • 19. Re: How Exactly Is Honor Estimated?   12/04/2007 11:27:45 AM PST
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Well you can try to say that it's all about diminishing returns... but I'm pretty sure that that is bull. I have counted up what I was supposed to make without HKs at all and it was way more then what I ended up with, even with the HKs added in. I'm not complaining about having to wait another day, it's just annoying when you get all excited thinking you are going to get a peice of gear and you come up 2 or 3k honor short.
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