Every since 2.3 was released, Horde have won pretty much every single Battleground, especially Alterac Valley. The thing that disgusts me the most, is the fact that blizzard do nothing about it. Battlegrounds such as the one im in rarely see an Alliance win, even though alot of us are rocking around in pretty decent gear. Due to horde constantly winning, they obtain pretty much all of the PvP gear within one day of work. Whereas for alliance to even get remotely the same gear would take months. The past 3 AV's ive done since posting this message have ended with a whopping total of 62 honor for Alliance, and 637 for horde. And now with the daily quest, Blizzard are making it even faster for Horde to obtain all their PvP gear. Especially season one gear, while alliance will still be prancing around in normal dungeon blues.
Blizzard need to implement a dynamic handicap based on todays current Alliance:Horde win/loss ratio. Make towers cap faster when Alliance have lost 80% of the AV's for that day or something. There is nothing to do during the day at level 70 after dailies have been completed and waiting for tonights raid. Alterac Valley is the only fun choice. It needs balancing for everyone, not one faction.

Bumping.

According to blizz the win/loss ratio of BGs is mostly even. Don't know how they get their data but that's what they claim.

A change like this would help battle groups that suffer from a offset win/loss ratio. Some battle groups this would benefit the horde and other it would benefit the alliance.

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Alterac Valley is the only fun choice. It needs balancing for everyone, not one faction.

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...But you just asked for it to be "balanced" in favor of the Alliance. There is no imbalance in AV that make the Horde win. None. But let's penalize them for winning anyway...

Dynamic handicap? Like a guy with down syndrome that can do ventriloquism and clog dance at the same time?

So u want to give us a imbalance because you guys suck?

Christ man you cant blame blizzard for your faults.

Cooperate l2p and do something not complain.

We got good gear because we deserve it (cept for afkers darn them)

Alliance alredy hav a favored av map in 2.2

since 2.3 now favors uhh no1? its an equal fight

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According to blizz the win/loss ratio of BGs is mostly even. Don't know how they get their data but that's what they claim.

A change like this would help battle groups that suffer from a offset win/loss ratio. Some battle groups this would benefit the horde and other it would benefit the alliance.

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that was kalgan reporting on his lvl 70 taurten warrior..

btw id like to see a victory in ANY BG now... hell at least we would/could win an AV

Using personal experiences as a basis for game design is not wise. Just because you are losing alot of BGs doesn't mean your side is.

Your experience =/= everybody's experience


Now, if you can show without annecdotal evidence that indeed the Horde win an overwhelming percentage of BGs, you should post it. Otherwise your idea is without merit or reason.

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The thing that disgusts me the most, is the fact that blizzard do nothing about it.

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I thought this was the player's responsibility...

Quit complaining and buckle down and find a way to win. There are literally thousands of players out there who play both horde and alliance. Despite what you may think the good players aren't all on horde and all the alliance are crap. If anything, statistically it's more likely that there's an even mix of players of all abilities on both sides. So please cut the Alliance < Horde crap...it's just not true.

The fact is that you notice losses more than you do wins, you don't come running here when you win. But if you fall down and get a skinned knee people come screaming here for mommy to make it better. My suggestion is that you dust yourself off and play harder. Find a way to win.

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I thought this was the player's responsibility...

Quit complaining and buckle down and find a way to win. There are literally thousands of players out there who play both horde and alliance. Despite what you may think the good players aren't all on horde and all the alliance are crap. If anything, statistically it's more likely that there's an even mix of players of all abilities on both sides. So please cut the Alliance < Horde crap...it's just not true.

The fact is that you notice losses more than you do wins, you don't come running here when you win. But if you fall down and get a skinned knee people come screaming here for mommy to make it better. My suggestion is that you dust yourself off and play harder. Find a way to win.

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Give this guy a cookie he actually make sense!


Although its true alliance do have a share of 9yr olds.

Pretty much all good pvpish players play arena which kills your face.

Majority of horde or people i know pvp to win. I play to win because well.. i like to win.

If i gave it all and i lose i got no regrets because there is no look backs

what you fail to recognise is that alliance are trapped in their ways. you used to win alot of AV as 1/2 of the horde were afk in the tunnels.

Those that went out their and actually fought got better.

You had lazy wins and became soft.

Now there is 1-3 horde afk and we are basically smashing you - you haven't adapted to the change and therefore cry for a fix that isn't required by the game ... the fix is required by your fellow alliance players - to their way of thinking.

It isn't a cakewalk anymore . you aren't getting 2 to 1 odds anymore.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=871595297472CC665585E22197DF891D?topicId=2041159435&pageNo=20&sid=1#380

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I think it's worth pointing out that generally speaking the win/loss percentages for WSG, AB, EotS generally fall somewhere around 55% to 45% on any given day (with Alliance also represented on the higher side). For example, on North American servers yesterday Alliance won more AB battles than the Horde.

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I can't remember a AV loss since the change.. (Alliance)

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what you fail to recognise is that alliance are trapped in their ways. you used to win alot of AV as 1/2 of the horde were afk in the tunnels.

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You know what is ironic about this?

6 months ago that would have been a "Z-O-M-G! AV is SO IMBALANCED in favour of the alliance that WE DONT EVEN BOTHER PLAYING IT LOL"

Instead now the truth, even from hordies. The BG is balanced in its imbalances and the horde were just too freaking lazy to play it.

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We can pull actual data on a lot of things, and we're going to be watching AV after the recent changes closely. We may make additional changes, but we want to see how things play out for a bit and everyone adjusts.

Handicaps are generally pretty messy, and it doesn't really fall in line with our general philosophies. Punishing someone for playing better than someone else isn't a lot of fun, we should be rewarding someone for winning, doing well, performing better, etc. The question I guess is how much reward is someone getting, and how much are they not if they don't play well.

That then draws into the conversation of why horde seem to do better in battlegrounds. If you look at the top arena teams you'll see a pretty even mix, it fluctuates here and there but there are battlegroups that have damn near 50/50, or even alliance favored. I think it's safe to say there's something else factoring in outside of any game mechanic or balance. How do you put a marker on that difference, and how can you possibly correct for it? All good questions, all very difficult to perceive accurately and act upon accordingly.

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So you agree the free bunker and the one-graveyard advantage on the advance the Horde get in AV runs counter to your general Philosophy?

There's already a handicap in AV - and it favors the Horde.