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Exactly. There are some people who seem to be actually wishing for 5 or 10 man content that requires machine-like precision, but if that were to happen it would ruin the game for me. I play this game for fun, and that sort of gameplay is no fun for a lot of us. I like being able to join up with 4 random people if I can't set up a guild run, and actually be able to complete a dungeon. It would suck if all post-60 content was comprised of nothing but un-PUGable dungeons with a steep learning curve and no room for error.

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I agree completely, however i feel you left something out. Even if the learning curve is steep it won't matter whether or not the guild figures it out if all of the mobs/bosses are so tough that they need tier 1+ gear to defeat them. Small guilds can learn difficult content, but what are they going to do if they need raid gear in the first dungeon.

Funny, I thought all the participants in the PTR honor and leveling contests, as well as Blizzcon were getting beta invites. Quit trying to misrepresent the situation. Raiders aren't the only people getting invites.

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So they should probably invite not just the top raiding guilds, but a variety of them ranging from able to kill Chromaggus upto top end? That sounds fair to me. I think that would give more of an overall raid populace view instead of just the best of the best.

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I would make the requirement Huhu up to topend. Everyone before Huhu is a freaking joke in terms of difficulty.

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So they should probably invite not just the top raiding guilds, but a variety of them ranging from able to kill Chromaggus upto top end? That sounds fair to me. I think that would give more of an overall raid populace view instead of just the best of the best.

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Well, without having read anything past page 2, I'd assume that several of the 25-man dungeons are designed to be even harder than Naxxramas (at least the dungeon where the final boss is Illidan). If the best of the best are struggling with the dungeons (but eventually manage to beat 'em nonetheless), then Blizzard has managed to successfully design the dungeon. From that standpoint, inviting guilds that can only kill Razorgore (or what have you) would be pretty pointless.

Showing that those guilds are wiping on trash mobs over and over again wouldn't really tell Blizzard anything useful about the raid dungeon. If those guys can only kill Razorgore, it means they aren't prepared for the rest of BWL yet, or AQ40, or Naxx. Having a bunch of BWL guilds wipe on trash mobs in the new dungeons doesn't let Blizzard know if the dungeons are actually doable or not, because those guilds would most likely wipe on trash mobs in "easier" dungeons such as AQ40 and Naxx. Therefore, they wouldn't have a true idea of how hard the raids actually are.

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Funny, I thought all the participants in the PTR honor and leveling contests, as well as Blizzcon were getting beta invites.

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You thought wrong. Not everybody who participated in the leveling contests is getting a beta invite.

Lol, I see the raiders were right when the 25 man news came out. I remember so many people saying there that it was the cap of 40 people and the organiztion hat bothered them, not the difficulty. However raiders were like you can do that, what you don't like is that its difficult. And thats what people want. Puggable 25 man raids. :( What a joke. If raids were puggable it would be the death of wow. Having the pinnacle of endgame be UBRS type pugs would be a joke. As for the 5 mans, there will be different difficulty levels. You can pug it with a group on easy mode while people who want real content can do it on the higher difficulty settings.

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I agree completely, however i feel you left something out. Even if the learning curve is steep it won't matter whether or not the guild figures it out if all of the mobs/bosses are so tough that they need tier 1+ gear to defeat them. Small guilds can learn difficult content, but what are they going to do if they need raid gear in the first dungeon.

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premades

Well, at least we know who the server firsts will go to when the expansion hits.

Hey Blizzard, how about giving my guild beta invites. We will test out the new zones, some 5-man stuff and look for/report bugs. Of course we aren't able to play every single day but the stuff you get from us will be invaluable. We have a few prior military with an uncanny ability to pay attention to detail.

We also have experience with beta testing games in the past and one of use was a CM for EVE Online.

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I agree completely, however i feel you left something out. Even if the learning curve is steep it won't matter whether or not the guild figures it out if all of the mobs/bosses are so tough that they need tier 1+ gear to defeat them. Small guilds can learn difficult content, but what are they going to do if they need raid gear in the first dungeon.

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You know that is what the new 5 mans are for. From datamined information loot in the first outlands 5 man is equivalent to ZG/AQ20/MC gear. You can gear up through 5/10 mans through to lvl 70 and by the time you enter the new 25 mans you'll have gear equivalent if not better than BWL/AQ40 gear, and for some classes probabally as good as Naxx gear.

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High end raiding guilds are being given beta invites so they can test the content in TBC? How exactly is this fair, when many other people like me, have been playing this game since launch. Why do raiders get higher priority, simply because they raid? Last time I checked, the main focus of this expansion was 5-man content and not 25-man raids. I'm insulted to hear that secretly these guilds are being invited to test something I've payed to play since launch. (I've loved playing WoW, which is why I feel betrayed)

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Sweet, where do I sign? :D

Meh, let the raiders do the testing, works for me.

I raid, I also quest and work on alts quite often too. This is still a game to me. I have no interest in spoiling content that I want to share with my guild and friends by doing any testing for Blizzard. I’ve never logged on to the test realm, not would I accept a beta invitation. Let someone else do it.

Simmer down dude.

I take the philosophy of not caring if I get a Beta invite or not.

Do I expect to get one? Nope.

Will I get one? Nope.

Do I care? Nope.

You see, its not really that big of a deal in the overall scope of things.

Ugh, I had hoped that the guild drama over 25-man limit could be avoided for another couple of months. I hope my guild doesn't get picked for this.