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Just as an FYI, there is another thread that focuses on Arena performance for rogues here- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2647258783&sid=1

Please also understand that while we are reading and forwarding feedback, I can not guarantee changes or even further response. If there is more we can bring back though, we will.

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If you chose NOT to go through with some of the more popular ideas (sprint lowered CD, lowered duration) could you perhaps come back with a reasoning as to why?

We don't want to be left in the dark again, bad news is better than no news in this case.

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Just as an FYI, there is another thread that focuses on Arena performance for rogues here- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2647258783&sid=1

Please also understand that while we are reading and forwarding feedback, I can not guarantee changes or even further response. If there is more we can bring back though, we will.

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Un-nerf Haste Rating, Un-Nerf PPM's, Quit giving us gear itemized with retarded haste rating since you nerfed the whole PPM, Keep weapon professions the way they are.....Oh....and Fix Vanish....

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And how do you expect a rogue to kill a high armor target!?!? Foul language?

Intercept is a three second stun on 15 second timer, meaning it's essentially a 12 second cooldown. Throw in a few mace stuns for good measure and you're locking down your target as well as any rogue, only you're doing it with a two-hander and plate armor, oh, and you're getting a 25% damage buff if a gust of wind crits you.

Rogues need mobility to keep dps on targets or we just can compete with any other dps class. I'm not saying we can't compete in arena, we can, but it requires very strict matrixes and zero room for error. It's not easymode Intercept, MS, ham-spam.

I'm so sorry you can't kill paladins and shaman. Neither can I before their dps kills me. With all do respect, please get the F outta my forums.

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That's the whole point though, I'm not locking someone down as good as a Rogue. Mace stuns may happen or they may not, either way if I'm beating on a healing class and I'm left to my own devices my only option is to run them OOM.

No smart player's gonna just randomly proc Enrage, DPS don't tend to just come over and feed me rage. "Easymode Intercept, MS, ham-spam" as you put it only serves to outlast things, it wears them down. Rogues can do a Rushdown (Warriors doing a rushdown without a Shaman and another DPS is just sad) or they can lock down.

Again I'm not saying Rogues don't need some mobility changes or any of that jazz. I'm simply saying that it's not all green over here, anytime a thread like this comes up Intercept is brought up over and over again. Our 1.5sec GCD isn't, our Spell interupts aren't, our reliant on taking damage or hitting low armour targets Combat system isn't. That's why we get Intercept /shrug

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That's the whole point though, I'm not locking someone down as good as a Rogue. Mace stuns may happen or they may not, either way if I'm beating on a healing class and I'm left to my own devices my only option is to run them OOM.

No smart player's gonna just randomly proc Enrage, DPS don't tend to just come over and feed me rage. "Easymode Intercept, MS, ham-spam" as you put it only serves to outlast things, it wears them down. Rogues can do a Rushdown (Warriors doing a rushdown without a Shaman and another DPS is just sad) or they can lock down.

Again I'm not saying Rogues don't need some mobility changes or any of that jazz. I'm simply saying that it's not all green over here, anytime a thread like this comes up Intercept is brought up over and over again. Our 1.5sec GCD isn't, our Spell interupts aren't, our reliant on taking damage or hitting low armour targets Combat system isn't. That's why we get Intercept /shrug

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you have full season 2 merc gear and a stormherald and you can't even break 2k rating. you are **!*ing garbage, gtfo. seriously, you are **!*ing terrible at this game stop posting your opinion means absolutely nothing.

jesus, there are warriors in blues that can get to 2k+ in every bracket. i cant even comprehend how bad you are.

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That's the whole point though, I'm not locking someone down as good as a Rogue. Mace stuns may happen or they may not, either way if I'm beating on a healing class and I'm left to my own devices my only option is to run them OOM.

No smart player's gonna just randomly proc Enrage, DPS don't tend to just come over and feed me rage. "Easymode Intercept, MS, ham-spam" as you put it only serves to outlast things, it wears them down. Rogues can do a Rushdown (Warriors doing a rushdown without a Shaman and another DPS is just sad) or they can lock down.

Again I'm not saying Rogues don't need some mobility changes or any of that jazz. I'm simply saying that it's not all green over here, anytime a thread like this comes up Intercept is brought up over and over again. Our 1.5sec GCD isn't, our Spell interupts aren't, our reliant on taking damage or hitting low armour targets Combat system isn't. That's why we get Intercept /shrug

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Hi, I have an ungodly amount of armor, Resil, and I can crit MS for a 1/3 of your life.

I want to direct you to this neth.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518909362&sid=1&pageNo=1

The post there is where I attempt to give a reasonable case of where I think the buffs to the sub tree are taking the rogue class, and where some of the things that have been done to shadowstep, most of note it'd be the minimum range, actually make it harder to use in pve.

I'd also like to point out that fleeted foot can only be used in a 41 point talent build with mutilate, while PoJ from the paladin ret tree provides this plate class with the same movement speed bonus that rogues get, while giving them the freedom to take 41 point talents from any tree they so chose.

In other words, again it seems like plate classes were accidently made more mobile than rogues and talent point distribution.

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If you chose NOT to go through with some of the more popular ideas (sprint lowered CD, lowered duration) could you perhaps come back with a reasoning as to why?

We don't want to be left in the dark again, bad news is better than no news in this case.

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I agree with this, I don't see why our baselines will not be adjusted when the hunter baseline of arcane shot will have a dispel added, obviously I'm missing something here?

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Just as an FYI, there is another thread that focuses on Arena performance for rogues here- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2647258783&sid=1

Please also understand that while we are reading and forwarding feedback, I can not guarantee changes or even further response. If there is more we can bring back though, we will.

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Just for the record, I hope the developers realize that we think very poorly of their current level of response, and would like them to allow you/give you much more concrete replies to us other than "We read all posts and we're looking into it"

It doesn't have to be a torrent of feedback, but it should at least be a trickle at regular intervals of a month or less. They need to worry less about what we might try to "hold against them if they say something", and just say SOMETHING.

We already know that everything is subject to change, and don't expect to hold them at their word that something will 100% make it live even if they say it's being looked into for tweaking.

Looks like popping my forum cooldown was worth it.

Thanks for the attention Neth. ;P

And buff Energy regen, it's killing us in the endgame...

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That's the whole point though, I'm not locking someone down as good as a Rogue. Mace stuns may happen or they may not, either way if I'm beating on a healing class and I'm left to my own devices my only option is to run them OOM.

No smart player's gonna just randomly proc Enrage, DPS don't tend to just come over and feed me rage. "Easymode Intercept, MS, ham-spam" as you put it only serves to outlast things, it wears them down. Rogues can do a Rushdown (Warriors doing a rushdown without a Shaman and another DPS is just sad) or they can lock down.

Again I'm not saying Rogues don't need some mobility changes or any of that jazz. I'm simply saying that it's not all green over here, anytime a thread like this comes up Intercept is brought up over and over again. Our 1.5sec GCD isn't, our Spell interupts aren't, our reliant on taking damage or hitting low armour targets Combat system isn't. That's why we get Intercept /shrug

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I don't want to be 'that guy,' but for your gear, your arena ratings are shameful and I respect your opinion less because of them.


Yes, I wish I had your character relative to mine. Your char = greener grass. I would receive less migraines due to an evening of endless KS resists and attempting to chase down a healer while hamstrung if I could teleport around every 15 seconds and my two hander stunned the bejesus out of everyone around me.