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  • Nathrezim
  • 0. Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 08:58:50 AM PDT
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Hello. My main is a level 70 holy priest. I will post on her after this so you can see her, my spec, and my gear for any references you may need.

I created this druid as a balance druid, designed for some fun alt-play and mainly to be a potion vendor for my priest. Turns out I actually like the character. Who knew?

My guild has created a second Kara group and as an officer, I've been asked to do double-duty and heal for that group as well to help make it strong. Soooooo... I went resto. Now what? My gear... is laughable... my spec? Who knows if I even got that right?

I looked at the healing gear sticky. Trying to work on that stuff. I searched the Elitist Jerk forums for some resto druid advice, but came out empty handed. Anyone have a link?

I'm wondering if someone can just try to teach me or give somewhat of a crash course on how I will go about healing raids and 5-mans as a resto druid. What types of heals am I going to be using? Do I focus on spirit as my main stat? How do I need to change my playstyle since I am so used to a holy priest?

My priest has come to know and love the Healbot mod. Does this cross over for resto druids well? I've heard great things about X-Pearl but I'm a UI virgin... can someone try to make it less scary for me?


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  • 1. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 08:59:54 AM PDT
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Here is my holy priest.

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  • Destromath
  • 2. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:04:39 AM PDT
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Lifebloom X3 on tanks + Rejuv -- make sure to refresh the LB before it blooms and refresh the rejuv right after it finishes.

Thats the normal druid healing style... with the small amount of +healing you have I doubt that your hots will keep a tank up though so you are most likely going to have to cast regrowth or HT between lifebloom refreshes

and don't forget about swiftmend
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  • Nathrezim
  • 3. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:06:33 AM PDT
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So you're saying I -don't- want my lifebloom to bloom?

And yes, I know my +heal is pitiful. It will be coming up shortly. Not stepping into Kara until I have over 1k.

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  • Thunderhorn
  • 4. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:09:55 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
So you're saying I -don't- want my lifebloom to bloom?

Before patch 2.1 it was more efficient to let it bloom. Now that the ticks double and triple as you stack them, it's significantly more efficient to keep it rolling.

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  • Gurubashi
  • 5. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:14:56 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
So you're saying I -don't- want my lifebloom to bloom?

And yes, I know my +heal is pitiful. It will be coming up shortly. Not stepping into Kara until I have over 1k.


3 stack lifebloom is a ridiculous amount of HPS, and it's super low mana to boot. You want it to bloom on the random raid healing you may throw out, but not on your tank if you can help it. It's not the end of the world if it blooms, but it shouldn't happen much where you don't have issues with a lot of movement that may cause you to go out of range/LOS of your tank.

Basically what POM/Renew was on your priest (if you play anything like I play my priest), Lifebloom/Rejuv is on your druid. Swiftmend is there for spikes, and NS+HT is there for emergencies.

PS Grid + Clique = win.
Set up grid to show when you have HoTs on raid members and use Clique to make it so (for example) Shift+Left Click on a raid frame casts Rejuv on that person, Ctrl+Left Click casts Lifebloom, etc.

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  • 6. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:17:31 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
So you're saying I -don't- want my lifebloom to bloom?

And yes, I know my +heal is pitiful. It will be coming up shortly. Not stepping into Kara until I have over 1k.


Lifebloom is most effective on tanks when you roll the 3 stack, and not let it bloom. That delivers the most health-per-mana out of all the spells we have. If you use a trinket that increases your +heal when you begin a lifebloom stack, the stack will keep that initial +heal for the entire duration, even when the +heal bonus has expired. An easy to get trinket is the Oshu'gun Relic

http://wowhead.com/?item=25634

Keep rejuv up so you can swiftmend it for damage spikes. Try not to spam regrowth if you can help it.

I use Grid for my raid frames, and Clique is for my decursing / de-poisoning (though i don't do that much). I have macro's setup for my resto spells so that it uses the mouseover target first, and my lifebloom macro uses my trinkets before casting lifebloom (so i don't have to manually cast my +heal trinkets, or mana reduction trinkets).

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  • Laughing Skull
  • 7. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:26:06 AM PDT
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Comment. You may not be an experienced druid healer, but as an experienced healer at all, you should be able to follow it without any problems. GL.

Sum Durid is 4 Heel:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965583032&sid=1
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  • Nathrezim
  • 8. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:27:10 AM PDT
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Ok, trying to process... (not really interested in Clique BTW, I like healbot better and it does the same thing)...

So, keep lifebloom and rejuv up on the MT at all times, get ready to Swiftmend the rejuv if things get hairy?

I vendored my Oshu'gun Relic. *facepalm* I didn't think I would be using it. However that +heal trinket trick is awesome. I assume Lower City Prayerbook would work much the same way.

Does anyone have anything to say about X-Pearl? I want to try it but I am so scared. Last time I tried a new UI, I hated it and ended up having to spend countless hours re-installing WoW to get rid of it.

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  • Sargeras
  • 9. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:33:27 AM PDT
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Xperl isn't very good for raid healing, but is very very nice for anything else. It is my favorite mod for 5 man healing, and the best pvp healing mod I've used. It's very easy to customize and see who is taking damage, when they are, how much they are, and what debuffs they have on.
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  • Nathrezim
  • 10. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 09:38:50 AM PDT
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Well, it's not like the standard UI is amazing for raid healing. I hardly ever pay attention to it. I'd also like to arena, so I might as well take the plunge, eh?

Is it easy to undo? Let's say I get it and want to scratch my eyeballs out. =(

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  • Sargeras
  • 11. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:20:28 AM PDT
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when there was the UI bug with AV freezing with different UIs I would have to turn off Xperl whenever I was AVing, all I had to do was click off the mod. If you don't like it all you have to do is turn it off under your addons section.
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  • Skullcrusher
  • 12. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:27:23 AM PDT
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A couple of good guides for healing as a resto druid:

http://druid.wikispaces.com/Resto_Endgame_Healing
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110537225&sid=1

And an alternate gear list - Rahlar's sticky is very good, but he purposefully excluded some options that may be available to you (like rep rewards), and this list has more options:

http://druid.wikispaces.com/Healing+Gear+List
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  • Sisters of Elune
  • 13. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
I searched the Elitist Jerk forums for some resto druid advice, but came out empty handed. Anyone have a link?


Not Elitist Jerks, but this might help:
http://nihilum.wazap.com/en/article/9,nessajs_healing_tips/


More info on Tree of Life healing:
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  • Stonemaul
  • 14. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:36:37 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:


Not Elitist Jerks, but this might help:
http://nihilum.wazap.com/en/article/9,nessajs_healing_tips/


More info on Tree of Life healing:
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullnd9.jpg


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  • Auchindoun
  • 15. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:41:03 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Well, it's not like the standard UI is amazing for raid healing. I hardly ever pay attention to it. I'd also like to arena, so I might as well take the plunge, eh?

Is it easy to undo? Let's say I get it and want to scratch my eyeballs out. =(


Next time just delete everything in your addons folder and delete th WTF folder instead of reinstalling wow lol
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  • Skullcrusher
  • 16. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:43:10 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:

I vendored my Oshu'gun Relic. *facepalm* I didn't think I would be using it. However that +heal trinket trick is awesome. I assume Lower City Prayerbook would work much the same way.



Yeah, I vendored mine because at the time I disliked "on use" trinkets (I never remembered to use them)... plus I was a feral/resto hybrid and didn't heal as seriously as I do now... and I didn't know the rolling lifebloom trick then either (and it was well prior to when Lifebloom got its boost).

Lower City Prayerbook is a very good trinket for the passive +heal, and the "on use" effect is nice to help conserve mana - I macro'd the trinket to my Lifebloom spell, so it was getting activated every time the cooldown was up before I started using Clique (Darn Clique not working with macros).

Since your Oshu'gun Relic is gone, you might consider getting the Heavenly Inspiration trinket ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30293 ) to give you that "on use" chunk of +healing for lifebloom rolling until you can pick up Essence of the Martyr ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29376 ) from Badges of Justice.

Or maybe you can get a group together to run Zul'Gurub and get you the Heart of Hakkar for a ZHC ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19950 ), that initial +408 healing could be pretty sweet. :)

In fact, I should try using my ZHC instead of one of my other trinkets for fights when I'm assigned to MT healing and can keep a rolling lifebloom stack up... it's just hanging out taking up bag space in my bank at the moment. Hmm.
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  • 17. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 10:58:20 AM PDT
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Here's a write up I did, mostly based on experience and gear at the time (around 1500 or so.)

So, here's something easy to use.
1) Use on use click to +heal trinkets
2) Lifebloom x3 on your main target (assuming 1 tank, if more then 1 tank then lifebloomx1 on each rotating until they have lifebloomx3 Don't stack all at once or you get caught up in refreshing while trying to stack.)
3) Regrow your main target. Refresh lifebloom right after
4) Rejuv your main target.

At this point you can toss out 1-2 lifeblooms or rejuvs on the raid. When you get better about your global cooldowns, you can time a regrow and rejuv/lifebloom between refreshes, but your highest priority is keeping the initial trinketed stack on your main target. If you lose that, you needs to restack it and get back to maintaining. You will lose some of your stacks, it happens. Remember once you refresh regrow, do lifebloom right away until you get in the habit of always making sure you won't lose your stack to the next gcd. After that you should have 5.5 seconds to play with after. Yeah, it wastes mana, but you need to get in the habit of watching that timer. If the tank takes heavy damage again, swiftmend should be your next spell, not another regrow. You loses all your healing from LB at that point if you does that (unless you're good at managing your cooldowns.) Refresh lifebloom then another regrow if needed. Rejuv is better for swiftmend from a HP.

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Spirit to Mana/5 in 2.3, including talent choices: WoW Forums -> Spirit vs. MP5 and 2.3 -- How to Decide.

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Quick write-up I did (some of the numbers are different now, but this is what I had at the time):
Hot healing vs. others:
Druid healing post 2.0 has changed considerably due to our new spell, Lifebloom, in addition to an already strong rejuv and a moderate regrow, generally considered too expensive to spam during a longer fight. In 2.1, we got a change to lifebloom allowing all of the +heal bonus applied on the first lifebloom to be applied to each one, even when stacked. The resulting HP/Mana efficiency is almost unrivaled.

In order to take advantage of the new-found bonus, you have to understand where druids fall in raid healing currently. ~We are not in general raid healers~

With chain heal, shamans will always be faster and more effective then we will ever be with HOT healing. Paladins and priests will always top off a target faster then we can. If they aren't, they need to examine their heal style. Regrow is too mana-inefficient to spam unless you're looking at just trash fights. Rejuv takes at least 3 seconds to see the first part of its effect. Lifebloom provides excellent hp/s, however it has to be stacked, not healed over before it gets a chance to bloom, or you have to wait 7 seconds for your recipient to see the full benefit.

1 tank I’m reaching 1147 hp/s
2 tanks I’m healing 2294 hp/s
3 tanks I’m healing 3441 hp/s

Healing 3 tanks follows this pattern (for me): LB, LB, LB, rejuv tank 1, lb, lb, lb, rejuv tank 2, lb, lb, lb, rejuv tank 3, lb, lb, lb. It's tight, but doable. 2 tanks is easier, obviously, and allows more time to not just spam buttons. Make sure you check to see if your tank isn't taking any more damage so you can either save that mana or put it to use elsewhere.

Assigning 2 druids to 1 tank, assuming we’re doing our most to maximize our HOT’s, means that the tank can expect, at minimum, 2100 hp/s (assuming the other druid is at minimum assisting with 1000 hp/s), refreshed at a small mana cost. Lifebloom is refreshed at 178 mana, rejuv is refreshed at 332 mana (mana cost in tree). When a tank is spiked, 2 druids, without changing anything, have already healed the tank for at least 4200 hitpoints, this is before any other class has time to react to it. With the inclusion of swiftmend, as well as natures swiftness and regrow (regrow ticks at another 443 hp/3 seconds) we have an instant 3-6k crittable heal, as well as another HOT that doesn’t disrupt our other healing.

All it requires us to do is keep our focus and keep maintaining our stacks.

If we’re on 1-2 tanks, we have on average, 2 global cooldowns free. This allows for raid healing, running and jumping, regrow as needed while still refreshing the mainstay of our healing. At 3-4 tanks, we are completely stationary, but we have the ability to provide an hp/s that’s unrivaled. (You’d only have 830 hp/s since you couldn’t factor in rejuv), That’s still 3320 hp/s without doing anything more then refreshing your HOT stacks.

Ok, not so small, but hopefully useful.

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  • 18. Re: Holy priest l2 resto?   10/23/2007 12:26:32 PM PDT
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Bah, I hit preview and blizz ate my post.

To add to the great advice above, here's the short(er) version that didn't really turn out too short:

1. Always let Rejuv finish, and then recast. Don't waste the last tick. (Unless you swiftmend).

2. Don't HoT everything that takes Damage. Mana Regen is your friend try to stay out side of the 5 sec rule, even if only for 1 sec at a time.
Particularily until you really gear yourself up.

3. Spec - Raid + Arena PvP

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?01430000000000000000050023010000000000000005023350031500501351

4. Gui

Minimize time moving the mouse. Bind Heals to keys, keep everything you need to mouse click nearby.

My setup:

Must Haves:

- Raid Bars of some sort
I like the look of CTRA. I'm sure there are others that are just as good.
Even the default Blizz bars aren't horrible (I just don't like how it displays buffs/debuffs)

- HoT Timer of Some sort
I like Chronometer. But Patch 2.2 broke it. (Resets the anchor to outside of the viewable area of my screen.)
Temporarily Using DoTTimer till it gets fixed (I think that's what it's called. But I don't like that it grous by toon)

- ToL Key bindings: (these will change for PvP)
1-> Regrowth
2-> LifeBloom
3-> Rejuv
4-> Swiftmend
5-> Natures Swiftness
6-0 Less Used Spells/Items.

- Right Side Horizontal Bars Right Side Vertical Bars
- Spells or items you don't mind clicking.
- OOC Items or spells.

Put Raid Bars and HoT Timer on Right hand side of Screen. Use MouseOver Macro's if you want. Or just click to select targets. I've found the global cooldown gives me enough time to cast,click cast with no down time, and prefer it this way.
Mouse should never leave the right hand side of the screen. Turn with your mouse. Move Forward/Strafe with WASD

- Optional
Scrolling Combat Text to pay attention to Hot Ticks (particularily nice if you accidently swapped out a weapon and don't realize it because you look the same naked or fully equipped in ToL).
ItemRack (Change gear at the click of a button, set weapons to change on events (Enervate stick, Healing staff/Mace, off hand, Kitty Weapon, Bear Weapon etc...)
KLH/Omen
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