I pulled this block off worldofraids.com. I know there was some discussion on the EU forums regarding this post. The addition of spell hit to Precision would be an amazing improvement. Some of the other entries definitely sound a little too good to be true. Anyone know anything about these rumored changes?



Rumored Additional Paladin 2.3 Changes

The following infos had originally appeared on the EU paladin class forum from a blue (so official) and then was mysteriously deleted. Anyway, here are the changes:

(NEW SPELL)Blessing of Defiance - Greatly increase Paladin's block value. Detail Coming Soon.

(NEW SPELL)Seal Of Protection - 5 minutes cooldown. Temporarily increase total Paladin Hit Points. Unleashing this Seal's will judge an enemy, decreasing all damage done by judged target. Detail Coming soon.

The Tier 4, Tier 5, Tier 6, and all Gladiator Sets have had their Spell Damage removed and the points have been reinvested in other stats, such as Strength and Critical Strike Rating.

Precision (Protection): Now increase chance to hit with spell as well

Spell Warding (Protection): Now reduce damage taken by spell by 3/6% instead of 2/4%.

Two-Handed Weapon Specialization (Retribution): Now also reduces threat caused while wielding a Two-Handed Weapon by 8/16/25%.

Vengeance (Retribution): Duration increased from 15 to 30 seconds and now increases Healing done as well.

Seal of Command (Retribution): Now does 85% Weapon Damage, but is no longer affected by Spell damage.

Judgement of Command (Retribution): Now does holy damage equal to 25% of your Attack Power and 50% when the target is stunned or disoriented and is no longer affected by Spell Damage.

Crusader Strike (Retribution): Cooldown reduced from 10 to 6 seconds and does 110% weapon damage instead of weapon damage plus 40% of your Holy Spell damage.

Key word here is....

Rumored.

Since none of these changes appear in the current PTR patch notes, and other changes listed do not appear in the supposed 'blue posted' changes...

BS.

I have seen these rumors before but never in blue. Thus they are nothing more than rumors. They may very well be other ideas Blizzard has been tossing around though. We shall see. I'm not going to judge 2.3 on its initial appearance on the PTR.

We saw these a while ago. If these were true, Protection and Retribution might be viable. Blizzard can't threaten PvE content by making the best healers spec out of Holy.

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We saw these a while ago. If these were true, Protection and Retribution might be viable. Blizzard can't threaten PvE content by making the best healers spec out of Holy.

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Missed the change to Weapon Expertise, did you?

Wow those new changes will make many Holy Paladins burn their Bras and switch to ret!
Just heal me and stop rolling on my gear, noobs.

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Wow those new changes will make many Holy Paladins burn their Bras and switch to ret!
Just heal me and stop rolling on my gear, noobs.

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Why would we take a Priest's gear?

I feel like I just stepped back in time...
Now we just need that other rumour to surface, the one that cropped up later about a stam bonus being applied to Weapon Expertise.

Ludicrous, huh?

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We saw these a while ago. If these were true, Protection and Retribution might be viable. Blizzard can't threaten PvE content by making the best healers spec out of Holy.

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you know prot and ret is viable already just ret has to hold back alot because of threat and no way of dropping/reducing it like other class's

You know, I've always hoped these rumored patch notes were fake. The reason? If they made ALL ret skills based on attack power with NO spell damage coefficients, what is the point of Judgment of the Crusader, which functions as so much + Holy spell damage against whatever it's judged with. Sure we'd still have the +3% crit affect, but it'd be completely useless otherwise.

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You know, I've always hoped these rumored patch notes were fake. The reason? If they made ALL ret skills based on attack power with NO spell damage coefficients, what is the point of Judgment of the Crusader, which functions as so much + Holy spell damage against whatever it's judged with. Sure we'd still have the +3% crit affect, but it'd be completely useless otherwise.

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Um its situationally godly for tankadins? It allows holy to farm significantly easier?

Paladin is a class not a spec.

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We saw these a while ago. If these were true, Protection and Retribution might be viable. Blizzard can't threaten PvE content by making the best healers spec out of Holy.

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I don't think these changes to our class are going to cause Holy priests to switch their spec; that's a bit of a stretch.

I am not disputing the fact that these changes are rumors. Read the subject.

We all know that there are already undocumented changes on the PTR. I was simply wondering if anyone has been on PTR and noticed any additional changes (keeping in mind that talents descriptions may not provide accurate information).

To the ret pally complaining about crusader... From a ret perspective, I (along with your raid party) would gladly take 1/2/3% crit over the small +holy benefit. It is a tier 2 talent! Attack power benefits ret way more than spell damage. Since blizzard is interested in resolving the itemization issues, simplifying the required stats is key.

ok thanks for the informations. but as you said it is rumor and we have no confirmation of those change. We are better waiting a blue post.

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I am not disputing the fact that these changes are rumors. Read the subject.

We all know that there are already undocumented changes on the PTR. I was simply wondering if anyone has been on PTR and noticed any additional changes (keeping in mind that talents descriptions may not provide accurate information).

To the ret pally complaining about crusader... From a ret perspective, I (along with your raid party) would gladly take 1/2/3% crit over the small +holy benefit. It is a tier 2 talent! Attack power benefits ret way more than spell damage. Since blizzard is interested in resolving the itemization issues, simplifying the required stats is key.

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I agree, although as Arraria so thoughtfully explained in another thread, we'd actually be a lot better off with a simple AP into Spell Damage talent (like Shamans got) than with the rumored changes listed above. We'd end up with slightly more DPS but an increased ability to off-heal in a pinch.

Rumors. Awful rumors, at least the part about 0 spell-damage ret. In addition to massive changes to all of our combat skills, they would have to re-design the rest of the ret gear as well (stuff from BGs, stuff from Halaa, quest rewards, a bunch of instance drops, etc). There are quite a few ret pallies out there who focus on 1/2 SD, 1/2 AP because they enjoy being a support dps hybrid - its more effective than you think.

Plus, thats a straight nerf to my darkmoon card: crusade and that would suck.

It would be much, much easier to either implement an AP->SP talent OR convert all the regular Spell-Damage on our gear to +Holy damage/healing instead, thus clearing up some iStat points (since straight +holy is cheaper than +dmg) that could be used either to add more +damage, str, resil, crit, what-have-you.

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I agree, although as Arraria so thoughtfully explained in another thread, we'd actually be a lot better off with a simple AP into Spell Damage talent (like Shamans got) than with the rumored changes listed above. We'd end up with slightly more DPS but an increased ability to off-heal in a pinch.

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I would tend to agree. However, I think that paladins will get deathcoil before Blizzard allows Ret pallies to DPS, bubble (d@#$ you bubble), and off-heal.

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I (along with your raid party) would gladly take 1/2/3% crit over the small +holy benefit. It is a tier 2 talent! Attack power benefits ret way more than spell damage

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No. Wrong. Attack Power point for point is worth exactly the same amount of DPS point for point as Spell Damage. 100 SP = 100 AP for SoC using, crusader striking Ret paladins. If you add rank 1 consecrate, then Spell Damage gets even better and actually overcomes the iStat differences. My JotC adds 272 +holy damage and its not even talented. Thats the same as 272 AP. I'll keep that, thanks.

I suppose you are wanding too.

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No. Wrong. Attack Power point for point is worth exactly the same amount of DPS point for point as Spell Damage. 100 SP = 100 AP for SoC using, crusader striking Ret paladins. If you add rank 1 consecrate, then Spell Damage gets even better and actually overcomes the iStat differences. My JotC adds 272 +holy damage and its not even talented. Thats the same as 272 AP. I'll keep that, thanks.

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Collect a spell damage set and a str/crit set, dps a raid, and let me know which one turns out better. (Hint, spell damage isn't worth it)