World PvP for me = a level 70 NE hunter in a level 30 zone one-shotting me as I level.

Only world pvp is at the ep in nagrand good job blizz and keep on kidding yourself that it exists

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hey idiot do you think raiders would spend time clearing instances if they got nothing out of it

wpvp is garbage because for many reasons, lack of rewards being one, but im not gonna list them all b/c why would i waste my time trying to convince a dumb mongrel of something so obvious

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Hi, you seem like a nice person. Did I attack you personally or is this your natural disposition?

I love going to Redridge Mountains and harassing some people, but they buffed guards too much.

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You can get both at the same time, absolutely. So Blizzard has given you what you want - options to PvP and get rewards even if it's not as exciting, or doing some amazingly fun PvP with little rewards.

Tell me, if you increased the rewards significantly enough to encourage high amounts of city raids, what kind of effects would that have on the rest of the game?

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It would be awesome. Some of my most fun moments in this game were defending capitals against horde, or in the case of just before BC's release, that Kazzak replacement that assaulted the capitals.

Also the ZG plague was awesome.

What I'm hearing out of you is that you don't want your precious sanctuary defiled. Carebear.

World pvp is dead, and flying mounts killed it.

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I thought I'd take a moment to correct you on an assumption you are making that the PvP area in Northrend is being instanced. the Lake Wintergrasp zone will be entirely PvP even on PvE realms, it will not be instanced and it will have sieging. More I couldn't tell you as of yet, but we definitely want to make it a great place to go and get into some cool PvP action.

I'm sure as we get further into development we'll have more to share. There is one thing that I do know as someone that has PvPed for many years, and that is, not every PvPer is alike or wants the same things. There is no "one" voice of PvP no matter how you try to wrap it up. I'm more of the "for the sake of PvP" type, while there are others that are looking for a reward for it. To say there is a misunderstanding about what "true" PvPers want is to overstate that your own opinion entails the entirety of what PvPers want.

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Does this thread not indicate what people really want?

You are saying that not all pvp'ers want the same thing. Thats fine, make the changes to the pvp realms then, let the pve servers keep their bg's, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

I bet if they doubled or tripled the amount of honor gained per kill in the normal world versus from within BGs (even during the specific weekends), that might up the World PvP quota a bit.

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It would be awesome. Some of my most fun moments in this game were defending capitals against horde, or in the case of just before BC's release, that Kazzak replacement that assaulted the capitals.

Also the ZG plague was awesome.

What I'm hearing out of you is that you don't want your precious sanctuary defiled. Carebear.

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I had an awesome time when two Horde guilds decided to warp into SW and go after the king (I was on my alliance toon at the time.) I agree that it's a ton of fun - so why isn't that enough? Why aren't people playing the game to have fun? Does it always have to end up in a new item?

What I'm saying is that you can have some seriously detrimental results if you up the incentives enough to draw people away from BG's. If the leader is killed once a week, I'm fine with that. If you start getting constant raids on towns, meaning that all the quest givers, merchants, battle masters, etc. are killed daily because you can't get better honor elsewhere than killing faction leaders I do have a problem with that.

People will always take the shortest and easiest route to get what they want. Obviously, people want loot so they decide to do what in your mind is less fun and pass up city raids. Blame the population, not Blizzard.

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I thought I'd take a moment to correct you on an assumption you are making that the PvP area in Northrend is being instanced. the Lake Wintergrasp zone will be entirely PvP even on PvE realms, it will not be instanced and it will have sieging. More I couldn't tell you as of yet, but we definitely want to make it a great place to go and get into some cool PvP action.

I'm sure as we get further into development we'll have more to share. There is one thing that I do know as someone that has PvPed for many years, and that is, not every PvPer is alike or wants the same things. There is no "one" voice of PvP no matter how you try to wrap it up. I'm more of the "for the sake of PvP" type, while there are others that are looking for a reward for it. To say there is a misunderstanding about what "true" PvPers want is to overstate that your own opinion entails the entirety of what PvPers want.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Fighting over 'Lake Wintergrasp'. Isn't warcraft. Laying siege to orgrimmar, the undercity, stormwind, and Ironforge is warcraft.

WTB Warcraft.

I want to feel as though my character is a part of the same world as the characters in warcraft 2 and 3, in more than just an aesthetic sense.

Those games were never about raiding high level bosses in dungeons. That is from EQ. Warcraft is not Everquest. Warcraft is not dungeons and dragons. Warcraft is Warcraft.

I want to wreck the opposite faction's cities, and I want to be rewarded for doing so. I want to do it daily. I want lowbies crying their hearts out on the forums because there is so much world pvp that it is hard at times for them to interact in towns. I want the World of Warcraft to feel like a Warzone.

WTB Warcraft.

i want epic sieges to capture cities


do i hear Warhammer Online! w00t

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i want epic sieges to capture cities


do i hear Warhammer Online! w00t

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Yeah, it's becoming music to my ears.

Give us real pvp. Majestic city raids is what people want.

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I thought I'd take a moment to correct you on an assumption you are making that the PvP area in Northrend is being instanced. the Lake Wintergrasp zone will be entirely PvP even on PvE realms, it will not be instanced and it will have sieging. More I couldn't tell you as of yet, but we definitely want to make it a great place to go and get into some cool PvP action.

I'm sure as we get further into development we'll have more to share. There is one thing that I do know as someone that has PvPed for many years, and that is, not every PvPer is alike or wants the same things. There is no "one" voice of PvP no matter how you try to wrap it up. I'm more of the "for the sake of PvP" type, while there are others that are looking for a reward for it. To say there is a misunderstanding about what "true" PvPers want is to overstate that your own opinion entails the entirety of what PvPers want.

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You by the way you have the game configured right now assume that there are three ways to pvp. 1 world pvp
2. arena
3. bg's

and the community at large is saying that world pvp is lacking severely the game used to be on the fly pvp world pvp where it just came, it was a real event. not a prestagged event like nagrand is. nagrand is a joke. no real rewards no real incentive to do anything other than gank fest. I presume that this is what the new zone for so called world pvp would be like as well, just another gank fest. Why? because blizzard is blindly arrogant of what it's player base wants.

Ever tried to raid a city with 40+ lol the game can't even handle it. LAG LAG LAG. That is why it is no encouraged plain and simple. Really give it a try and you will see.

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I had an awesome time when two Horde guilds decided to warp into SW and go after the king (I was on my alliance toon at the time.) I agree that it's a ton of fun - so why isn't that enough? Why aren't people playing the game to have fun? Does it always have to end up in a new item?

What I'm saying is that you can have some seriously detrimental results if you up the incentives enough to draw people away from BG's. If the leader is killed once a week, I'm fine with that. If you start getting constant raids on towns, meaning that all the quest givers, merchants, battle masters, etc. are killed daily because you can't get better honor elsewhere than killing faction leaders I do have a problem with that.

People will always take the shortest and easiest route to get what they want. Obviously, people want loot so they decide to do what in your mind is less fun and pass up city raids. Blame the population, not Blizzard.

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raiding cities and killing 100s of guards sure is fun guys its like pve without rewards

Ganking more ganking in STV and anywhere is a lower level player is. That is what most people want. They want to have a sure fire victory with no chance of loss. And if you tell me thats not what you want I call bs. Otherwise there would not be attacks on Westfall and Crossroads so much, and you could actually quest in STV.

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raiding cities and killing 100s of guards sure is fun guys its like pve without rewards

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You know, having an actual conversation with someone where you discuss things you disagree about can sometimes be enlightening. You should try it.

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I thought I'd take a moment to correct you on an assumption you are making that the PvP area in Northrend is being instanced. the Lake Wintergrasp zone will be entirely PvP even on PvE realms, it will not be instanced and it will have sieging. More I couldn't tell you as of yet, but we definitely want to make it a great place to go and get into some cool PvP action.

I'm sure as we get further into development we'll have more to share. There is one thing that I do know as someone that has PvPed for many years, and that is, not every PvPer is alike or wants the same things. There is no "one" voice of PvP no matter how you try to wrap it up. I'm more of the "for the sake of PvP" type, while there are others that are looking for a reward for it. To say there is a misunderstanding about what "true" PvPers want is to overstate that your own opinion entails the entirety of what PvPers want.

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Will we be able to catapult ourselves over high fortress walls?

WTB 4 hr respawns on auctioneers.... That'd promote a little world pvp!