(Credit to James on FOH Forums, but such a relevant Topic I stole it, to get feed back on the issue here, on a more widely read forum.)


Posted: 10-15-2007, 07:06 PM by: James. FoH Forums.

"Simply put, the state of the game has changed considerably since the initial character transfers were opened up. The focus is no longer on world PvP, and the places you level at now are all but ghost towns. The developers have finally nailed it down pretty solid, the game truly does start at level 70. So why is there a restriction on which realms you can travel to?

To me, it doesn't make any sense at all, from a fairness perspective, from a financial perspective, from a game balance perspective. It just doesn't jive with the general feel and philosophy of the majority of WoW's design: accessibility, non-harmful/non-permanent decisions, having fun. How fair is it that of two complete newbies who randomly pick a server, one will be able to travel anywhere but the other will only be able to travel to certain servers simply due to what is usually a completely uninformed choice? How much money would Blizzard be making if they allowed PvE->PvP transfers? Why is it a bad thing if someone levels up on a PvE server and then transfers to a PvP server? Maybe then you'd see an increase of Horde players on PvE servers, even if only temporarily. I just can't figure these questions out for the life of me, and the fact that Blizzard has waited this long to open up PvE->PvP transfers really has me scratching my head -- WHAT'S THE HOLD UP?

I don't think I'm alone here, either. I'm sure many of the top rated guilds here can tell stories of the apps-that-would had the guild only been on a PvP server. They'll probably tell you about wishing *they* were on a PvP server. What's funny is that the only PvE->PvP transfer that happened has been what many would call a huge success. It created a very competitive server environment for a very long time, it saved at least some of the guilds from a slow attrition based death on some somewhat backwater PvE servers. Why would you not want to repeat that decision? Why would Blizzard continue to ignore the obvious want of the option based on what can only be described as an archaic mindset? When, honestly, was the last time someone here got corpse camped? Not in a very long time, I'd wager.

I guess I'd be happy if someone can answer any of these questions, but I'd suspect most cannot be. Blizzard just needs to catch the !@@* on and open them up."

It is never happening, especially since the already very simple task of rerolling will be much easier than it was before

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(Credit to James on FOH Forums, but such a relevant Topic I stole it, to get feed back on the issue here, on a more widely read forum.)


Posted: 10-15-2007, 07:06 PM by: James. FoH Forums.

"Simply put, the state of the game has changed considerably since the initial character transfers were opened up. The focus is no longer on world PvP, and the places you level at now are all but ghost towns. The developers have finally nailed it down pretty solid, the game truly does start at level 70. So why is there a restriction on which realms you can travel to?

To me, it doesn't make any sense at all, from a fairness perspective, from a financial perspective, from a game balance perspective. It just doesn't jive with the general feel and philosophy of the majority of WoW's design: accessibility, non-harmful/non-permanent decisions, having fun. How fair is it that of two complete newbies who randomly pick a server, one will be able to travel anywhere but the other will only be able to travel to certain servers simply due to what is usually a completely uninformed choice? How much money would Blizzard be making if they allowed PvE->PvP transfers? Why is it a bad thing if someone levels up on a PvE server and then transfers to a PvP server? Maybe then you'd see an increase of Horde players on PvE servers, even if only temporarily. I just can't figure these questions out for the life of me, and the fact that Blizzard has waited this long to open up PvE->PvP transfers really has me scratching my head -- WHAT'S THE HOLD UP?

I don't think I'm alone here, either. I'm sure many of the top rated guilds here can tell stories of the apps-that-would had the guild only been on a PvP server. They'll probably tell you about wishing *they* were on a PvP server. What's funny is that the only PvE->PvP transfer that happened has been what many would call a huge success. It created a very competitive server environment for a very long time, it saved at least some of the guilds from a slow attrition based death on some somewhat backwater PvE servers. Why would you not want to repeat that decision? Why would Blizzard continue to ignore the obvious want of the option based on what can only be described as an archaic mindset? When, honestly, was the last time someone here got corpse camped? Not in a very long time, I'd wager.

I guess I'd be happy if someone can answer any of these questions, but I'd suspect most cannot be. Blizzard just needs to catch the !@@* on and open them up."

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1) Post on a Main.

2) Laugh at the Pally below you, Never is a strong word...

3) It would be good, since it would help Guilds that recruiting, but meh, I don't care anymore.

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Most people just think that it was only Fires of Heaven that got to transfer PVE - PVP, but it was actually an entire server or more. It was horrendously received....

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Yet that's the entire reason why the PvE -> PvP transfer was made, for a Blizzard employee. You brought it up, not me.

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2) Laugh at the Pally below you, Never is a strong word...

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strong is not necessarily wrong.

"never' is probably the best assumption.

The reason is that people believe that if you play on a PvP server, then you understand exactly how to play. I disagree. I have been leveling a new rogue on a PvP server simply because I couldn't transfer, and guess what? No hordie has killed me yet. No ganking whatsoever. Just let me transfer over :p Make it a one time things and you must be level 70, and there is no going back.

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Yet that's the entire reason why the PvE -> PvP transfer was made, for a Blizzard employee. You brought it up, not me.

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/eyeroll

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strong is not necessarily wrong.

"never' is probably the best assumption.

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Never cannot be an assumption. Its a statement of fact.

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You knew the rules of your server when you made your character. Nothing has changed.

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QFT.

I, for one, am completely against an RP to PvP transfer.

Any one coming to a PvP server needs to go through the wonderful experience of being ganked, camped, ganked again, camped, and ganked again from low to high level.

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You knew the rules of your server when you made your character. Nothing has changed.

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And here is another idiotic statement.


Most people rolled Pre-Transfers. (you know, before this rule existed)

Stop being such elitists pricks. Its just a game, and therefore not that Serious.

What's with all the "Blizz can make more money" arguments for pushing a cause that is basically a dead horse?

While, like any company, they like to make money, they will not compromise certain aspects of their product just for a profit. PvE to PvP transfers is one of these aspects.

It will not happen, no matter how much any of you would be willing to pay for it.

I think that back then, when some people did transfer from PVE-PVP, it was too early and was done in a sloppy way. PVE-PVP is obviously something that needs to be more controlled as far as transfers go; such as population control.

I agree that at this late in the game there is really no reason to not allow a controlled form of this other then the idea of "protecting" the people that have leveled on a PVP servers years ago.

Most areas are ghost towns, other then the occasional skirmish at Southshore, there is not much going on. It probably won't happen ever, but I think the people that make a big deal about how PVE-PVP transfers will destory this game are stuck in the past.

I really don't think most people will complain if PVE-PVP happened and very few people will do something extreme and quit because of it - they are too addicted if they have been playing this game since 2004. They will be all busy playing the game, PVPing, whatever they do. Sure people on the forums will complain, but how many people is that out of the millions that play this game? I would guess not much.

So, you want to go easy-mode and get all the phat loots and quest things done to 70, then transfer over to where the big boys play?

I don't think so.

I was one of the lucky ones that got to transfer from a PVE to PVP server awhile back when they first brought Black Dragonflight online. Needless to say it wasnt a good thing. Between the 3-4 servers that were allowed to transfer it ended up creating a big mess. Black Dragonflight became instantly Full. All the servers had major guilds transfer over which for awhile was fun it just became too much.