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  • Mannoroth
  • 0. [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in 2.3   12/10/2007 12:32:35 PDT
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/cancelform is not functioning properly, for Shadowform at the very least. While a macro like

/cancelform
/cast Inner Fire

works properly (the form cancellation and cast of Inner Fire happen instantly), a macro like

/cancelform
/cast [target=player] Prayer of Mending

results in the "you are in shapeshift form" error, and while it shifts you out of Shadowform, it doesn't cast the Prayer of Mending. This behavior is inconsistent with the documented functionality of the cancelform command in 2.3.
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  • Mannoroth
  • 1. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    12/10/2007 20:02:39 PDT
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No responses . . . I hope this has been taken note of. This is a pretty big bug.
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  • Spinebreaker
  • 2. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    12/10/2007 20:12:39 PDT
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There are a few threads about this, so other players at least have noted it ;)

As for whether or not Blizzard notice it...who knows.

I'm also hoping they notice my thread about the new spell cast system and how it doesn't help with spells that take less than the GCD + your latency to cast.

Thread at: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366548496&postId=23663658324&sid=1#8
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  • 3. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    12/10/2007 20:27:20 PDT
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Yep, thanks for reporting it.
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  • 4. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    12/10/2007 20:31:33 PDT
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Druids have been reporting that's it's also busted for shifting out of and back in to the same form on the PTR forum as well.

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It seems mages were saving more money than originally intended. Any money saved will now be reduced by 10% and will break Frost Nova.
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Slouken
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  • 5. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    13/10/2007 01:51:07 PDT
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You can shift out, but you can't shift immediately back if you do something else first. I'll take a quick look at that one too though.
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  • 7. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 02:06:25 PDT
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Also, instant shifting from ToL or Moonkin to other forms doesn't work.

Yet another issue:
In trying to get around the Bear->Bear shifting bug, I tried to issue the /cancelform command on the chat, while a split second later hitting the Bear form button. This worked, but subsequent use of /cancelform failed. I had to leave bear form by manually right clicking the Form buff icon. I was able to recreate this reliably. I play with a rather high latency (around 5-600), which might affect things.
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Slouken
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  • 8. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 07:48:56 PDT
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Remember that only leaving a form should be instant. Casting other spells that are allowed in caster form can be done immediately afterwards, but to cast anything in the new form requires you to wait for the server to actually put you in that form, which happens after the macro completes.
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  • 9. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 08:00:43 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Remember that only leaving a form should be instant. Casting other spells that are allowed in caster form can be done immediately afterwards, but to cast anything in the new form requires you to wait for the server to actually put you in that form, which happens after the macro completes.



What is not working for druids is same form to same form shifting.

You can cancel bear and be in cat instantly, but you can't cancel bear and be back into bear instantly. Its the exact same amount of commands but for some reason doesn't work for same form to same form shifting.

I believe the intent for this change was to allow instant shifting and potions in bear via macro.

/cancelform
/use potion
/cast bearform

Is what I believe we are looking for. Since pots don't cause the global cooldown it should work in theory.
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Slouken
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  • 10. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 08:25:17 PDT
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The intent of the change is not to shift out and shift back instantly. I'm not sure why it doesn't work, but I'm absolutely sure that the designers don't want you to use items instantly while in forms. :)
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  • 11. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 08:35:36 PDT
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Well if its not the intent why the change at all? I can isntantly shift from cat to bear or bear to travel etc. on test. So why is it we can't shift from bear to bear and cat to cat?


This is what you yourself said about the change

Player said:

This could have the potential to seriously change the dynamics of druid play.


And your response was:

Yes, this is intentional.



?????

[ Post edited by Feralhawk ]

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  • Kel'Thuzad
  • 12. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 09:01:00 PDT
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Q u o t e:
The intent of the change is not to shift out and shift back instantly. I'm not sure why it doesn't work, but I'm absolutely sure that the designers don't want you to use items instantly while in forms. :)

Man... no offense to your knowledge about WoW/upcoming changes/etc, but I *really* hope you're misinformed about that. Because on a Retarded Scale of 1-10, that's really #$@^ing retarded.

[ Post edited by Aeman ]


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Slouken
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  • 14. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 09:52:03 PDT
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Q u o t e:
Well if its not the intent why the change at all? I can isntantly shift from cat to bear or bear to travel etc. on test. So why is it we can't shift from bear to bear and cat to cat?


This is what you yourself said about the change

Player said:

This could have the potential to seriously change the dynamics of druid play.


And your response was:

Yes, this is intentional.



?????


I think the intention is to allow leaving the form and doing something, and then doing another action to get into another form. I'll have to check with the designers though.
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  • Akama
  • 15. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 10:39:56 PDT
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Q u o t e:
The intent of the change is not to shift out and shift back instantly. I'm not sure why it doesn't work, but I'm absolutely sure that the designers don't want you to use items instantly while in forms. :)


Well here is the issue with that.
If they didn't want druids to shift out of a form and back instantly, they wouldn't rely on latency to accomplish this and add a directly limiting mechanic. Such as a cooldown on shifting back into any form- like a warrior's 1 second stance change cooldown.

As it is, there is nothing that limits the change other than latency. There is no GCD activated in caster form or any cooldown on shapeshifts when you shift back out into caster form. The current mechanics in place to limit shapeshifts are- mana cost, and the GCD that is activated in shapeshift form when you shift(either into it or out of it activates the GCD, I'm not sure which- but overall you can only shapeshift in and out every 1.5 seconds with no latency). So someone with a very fast connection can do it close to instantly.

Furthermore, instantly switching from one shapeshift form to another is possible with this change.
This mans post explains things best:

Q u o t e:
I'll explain with the help of a /combatlog dump.

Hitting my Cat Form /cancelform macro whilst in Bear Form does:
10/14 09:04:06.636 Dire Bear Form fades from you.
10/14 09:04:06.636 Leader of the Pack fades from you.
10/14 09:04:06.636 You gain Cat Form.
10/14 09:04:06.636 You gain Leader of the Pack.
10/14 09:04:06.636 You gain Track Humanoids.

As you can see, the shift is instantaneous to the same exact millisecond. Now if I was tanking a raid boss, and needed to pot/healthstone, I could safely put those in my macro without fear of being insta gibbed due to lag/slow reaction/whatever if Bear to Bear via this macro worked. But it doesn't.

Hitting my Bear Form /cancel macro multiple times (as fast as I can) whilst in Bear Form does:
10/14 09:04:21.152 Dire Bear Form fades from you.
10/14 09:04:21.152 Leader of the Pack fades from you.
10/14 09:04:21.480 You fail to perform Dire Bear Form: Not yet recovered.
10/14 09:04:22.214 You gain Dire Bear Form.
10/14 09:04:22.214 You gain Leader of the Pack.

You'll notice a few things. Firstly, there is not even an attempt in the log to go into Bear Form at time = 09:04:21.152 (when the macro was first hit). Seconly, Bear Form is not gained again until 09:04:22.214, more than a full second after it faded.

also this forun is hilarious
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Slouken
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  • 16. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 10:52:17 PDT
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Yep, I agree it's inconsistent. I'll find out how the designers actually want it to work next week.
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  • 18. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 12:00:42 PDT
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Q u o t e:
To sum up the possible results of this thread:

1) Working as indended (not likely)
2) You will no longer be able to immediately switch back into ANY form (my vote for most likely given past actions on blizzard's part)
3) You will be able to switch out of a form, do an instant cast spell/item and be able to immediately switch back into any form (less likely, imo, but more so than #1)


Cog, you realize that this will be as crushing to druids as the "potion bug" was on the Beta, if this macro doesn't enable shift out to caster and back to previous forms, or new forms from the current one your in.

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  • Dalaran
  • 19. Re: [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in    14/10/2007 12:03:28 PDT
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Cog, you realize that this will be as crushing to druids as the "potion bug" was on the Beta, if this macro doesn't enable shift out to caster and back to previous forms, or new forms from the current one your in.


You realize it effectively IS the potion bug the way most druids hoped it was supposed to work. :)

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