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  • Illidan
  • 0. Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Spec   01/28/2010 08:24:30 AM PST
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This was inspired by this post (to give credit where credit is due): http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22748797321&sid=1

What you have before you gentlemen is the Top 100 Guild Kills of Professor Putricide, a list broken down by class and spec. I believe the data can stand on its own, but my subsequent post will explain a little analysis and how the data was gotten (long, and painstakingly).


For your viewing pleasure, this list is organized from most played, to least played:

(Out of a possible 2500 players, 25 per raid, 100 raids)

Paladin ----- 338 (14%)
Holy ----- 152
Protection ----- 80
Retribution ----- 106


Druid ----- 315 (13%)
Balance ----- 69
Feral Combat ----- 110
Restoration ----- 136


Priest ----- 305 (12%)
Disc ----- 54
Holy ----- 106
Shadow ----- 145


Shaman ----- 273 (11%)
Elemental ----- 97
Enhancement ----- 94
Restoration ----- 82


Rogue ----- 233 (9%)
Assassination ----- 157
Combat ----- 75
Subtlety ----- 1


Warrior ----- 217 (9%)
Arms ----- 8
Fury ----- 105
Protection ----- 104


Mage ----- 215 (9%)
Arcane ----- 205
Fire ----- 10
Frost ----- 0


Death Knight ----- 212 (8%)
Blood ----- 38
Frost ----- 16
Unholy ----- 158


Hunter ----- 196 (8%)
Beast Mastery ----- 0
Marksmanship ----- 161
Survival ----- 35


Warlock ----- 196 (8%)
Affliction ----- 117
Demonology ----- 66
Destruction ----- 13



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TL;DR takeaways:

Most Represented Tank: Protection Warrior
Most Represented Healer: Holy Paladin
Most Represented DPS: Arcane Mage

Top 5 Least Represented Specs:
1. Tie: Frost Mage & Beast Mastery Hunter (0)
2. Subtlety Rogue (1)
3. Arms Warrior (8)
4. Fire Mage (10)
5. Destruction Warlock (13)

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  • Illidan
  • 1. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:25:33 AM PST
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The above list was compiled from http://www.wowmeteronline.com, through a long, manual, painstaking process. I have confidence in my data, and wish to explain a few of the methods.

First, the runs are of the top 100 Guild kills of Professor Putricide. As such, I think it is logical to conclude that no one in this data set was carried. Every spec had to at least pull its own weight to make it onto that list. There are a few surprises (a subtlety rogue?!), and much of what you would expect.

This is not qualitative data, purely quantitative, I can't tell you WHICH spec performed the best, however if the top Guilds were running with that player for a top 100 kill you can bet your hard earned money that they deserved the spot. Every class was needed, and the representation was fairly similar throughout (no raid with 15 rogues, or mages).

Onto some quick Q&A:

How was the data gathered?
--- The data was gathered manually, probably much in the same way the 1st post that inspired this was, I just went one step deeper. I viewed, and copied, all raid information. Then I parsed it out, verified its accuracy, and compiled the list you see before you. The entire excel spreadsheet I used will be available soon (just have to host it somewhere). I will provide a link at the bottom of this post when available.

How thorough was verification?
--- I verified every raid individually (to check that class composition and specs were correct), and then I verified the data as a whole (no missing members, no class specs that didn't total their primary class). There is ALWAYS room for error, especially considering this was a largely manual process, however I believe I have provided the best data I was able to within a reasonable amount of time.

But wait, your class breakup is (maybe) different than the Top 100 "Who's Raiding" thread!?
--- I didn't verify, but this is entirely possible. The Top 100 Guild PP kills could have easily changed in the last 2-3 days (probably not by much, but it is possible). The best and the brightest raiders are always competing, if I ran this next week it would probably be different.

Could you check you X boss in Y dungeon?
--- If this data is received well and perceived by the community as useful in their discussions, I would be willing to potentially gather more data on other bosses in the same manner. It is no easy task, but it is relaxing to compile some statistics now and then. I myself am not a hardcore raider, I'm working through ToC on my 3rd alt now, and helping some friends level, so I really have no stake in the outcome of this dataset. I have not fought Professor Putricide, and probably won't for some weeks.

Why the Damage Dealing boards?
--- I play a Disc Priest now, but some of the best conversations (and heated ones) come out of this board. It is as much at home here as anywhere.


Known Problems with the Data:

1. Feral Druids: There is no way to tell tank apart from DPS. You can use your imagination with the other class breakdowns to figure out similar classes with tank and dps melee roles, but it is speculation.
2. Tank DK vs. DPS DK: The DPS surely outweighs the tank, but as with the druids, you cannot be sure which one is a tank, and which is a DPS. I think, given popular builds, you can make educated guesses.
3. Subtlety Rogue and some Arms Warriors?!: These were not mistakes, they were in the data. There were 2 Arms Warriors in the top 25 kills, but the Subtlety Rogue did not appear till further in the dataset (I only seperated the first 25 out, while I was testing my methods).

Since it was requested (people couldn't believe it!) here's the proof of the subtlety rogue:

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/11222879#damageout

It is the 97th best raid calculated in my numbers above.


From Lhivera deeper in the thread:



Q u o t e:

Just a list from top to bottom spec-wise:

205: Mage/Arcane
161: Hunter/Marksmanship
158: Death Knight/Unholy
157: Rogue/Assassination
152: Paladin/Holy
145: Priest/Shadow
136: Druid/Restoration
117: Warlock/Affliction
110: Druid/Feral Combat
106: Priest/Holy
106: Paladin/Retribution
105: Warrior/Fury
104: Warrior/Protection
97: Shaman/Elemental
94: Shaman/Enhancement
83: Average
82: Shaman/Restoration
80: Paladin/Protection
75: Rogue/Combat
69: Druid/Balance
66: Warlock/Demonology
54: Priest/Disc
38: Death Knight/Blood
35: Hunter/Survival
16: Death Knight/Frost
13: Warlock/Destruction
10: Mage/Fire
8: Warrior/Arms
1: Rogue/Subtlety
0: Mage/Frost
0: Hunter/Beast Mastery




As promised, the excel spreadsheet can be gotten below:

http://www.mtco.com/~ckitch/wow/WoWData.xlsx

(When I tried to download it, it wanted to save it as a .zip, make sure you rename it to .xlsx which is Excel 07's format)

The spreadsheet is not that interesting, it is simply a list of parsed data from the websites and then some formulas dividing it.

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  • 2. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:26:28 AM PST
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You said PP

:3

edit: But seriously, those numbers look pretty good tbh.

edit 2: Also... WOW @ Shaman. Must be nice having all 3 viable specs :O

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  • 3. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:28:48 AM PST
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Dam missed that list by 25 raids QQ

EVERYWHERE I POST IT'S A PARTY YALL WE GONNA GET IT CRACKIN LIKE THE MARDI GRAS
GET STUPID
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  • Mal'Ganis
  • 4. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:29:51 AM PST
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Sub rogue? Really?! I want a link to that log/kill.
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  • 5. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:32:16 AM PST
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Nice to see Holy paladins aren't just OP in Arena. Means quicker nerf ;D

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  • Mal'Ganis
  • 6. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:33:38 AM PST
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Seriously, whos that 1 rebel sub rogue? I bet his raid doesnt even know hes using it.
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  • 7. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:37:28 AM PST
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time to get some of those pure 'offspecs' raid worthy imo.

seems like bring the player not the class was a resounding success. grats devs.

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rogue: O NOES MY MORALE
warrior: lol i c u
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  • 8. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:41:28 AM PST
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All I gathered from this data is that that single sub rogue has some massive cojones. confirm/deny?
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  • Garona
  • 9. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:43:35 AM PST
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LAWL....


"Subtlety ----- 1"

This reminds me of a signature I've seen around here:

-------+-------(Boss)++++++++
Just because you're different doesn't mean you're special.



Although I do have to give props to the guy/gal for sticking to Sub and to the guild that killed Prof Putricide with a Sub Rogue.
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  • Illidan
  • 10. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:44:42 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
You said PP

:3

edit: But seriously, those numbers look pretty good tbh.

edit 2: Also... WOW @ Shaman. Must be nice having all 3 viable specs :O


Yes, that is what I thought as well. Shaman should be the model class, despite some complaints they are nearly perfectly represented in the data through all their specs. They are only 30 players short of Priests, both classes being able to heal and DPS (with priests having 2 healers), and only beaten by the Paladin/Druid (for obvious reasons) in representation otherwise.
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  • Burning Blade
  • 13. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:50:17 AM PST
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Everyone weights in at around 10%. Hybrid classes with more roles come in at a slightly higher number, especially paladins. As this is a sampling of the first people to kill a boss, we can generally conclude that class balance in a raid is doing fantastically. Top guilds are not, in fact, sitting their ele shamans or ret paladins, etc.

Interestingly, most of the pure classes seem to be in a pretty good place about having viable alternative specs. There are a fair number of combat versus assassination rogues. Warlocks are spread among their specs, and survival hunters are not unheard of. Mages are the notable exception to this, apparently with only one viable spec again.
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  • Illidan
  • 14. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:53:00 AM PST
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SUBTLETY ROGUE PROOF!:

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/11222879#damageout

Number 97th raid on the list (you guys had to make me go back and check :P).

Pulled 5900 DPS, have a look yourself. Not fantastic (again, 97th), but he's there for real.
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  • 15. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:53:39 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
Mages are the notable exception to this, apparently with only one viable spec again.


If done correctly, they may be able to make Fire viable in both PvE and PvP. I would love it.

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  • Greymane
  • 18. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:58:14 AM PST
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Excellent work. Thanks for putting in the time; this should make for some interesting discussion.


Q u o t e:
He is combat.

Note the use of killing spree.

He is just listed wrong.


How were the specs checked? Is it something WMO figures out based on the logs, or is it an armory check, or what? (An armory check would be problematic for obvious reasons.)

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  • 19. Re: Raid Compendium: Guild 100 PP kills by Sp   01/28/2010 08:59:02 AM PST
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Q u o t e:


He is combat.

Note the use of killing spree.

He is just listed wrong.


You checked the wrong Rogue, the one below him was Sub. Name's Desecrate, I believe.

He was using Hemo (Not Backstab!?).
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