Tho ArP isnt amazing for us, any idea if the proc will counterbalance that? I havent been on the PTR to check the exact buffs each form gives you, if the info is even out there to find atm.

I personally would enjoy turning into random mobs while dpsing, change things up a bit!

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50363/deathbringers-will/ (Heroic)

Unique
Trinket
Item Level 277
Equip: Increases your armor penetration rating by 167.
Equip: Your attacks have a chance to awaken the powers of the races of Northrend, temporarily transforming you and increasing your combat capabilites for 30 sec.

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Strength of the Vrykul
Granted 600 strength by the form of the Vrykul.
30 seconds remaining

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Agility of the Wolvar
Granted 600 agility by the form of the Wolvar.
30 seconds remaining

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Power of the Taunka
Granted 1200 attack power by the form of the Taunka.
30 seconds remaining

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Precision of the Iron Dwarves
Granted 600 armor penetration rating by the form of the Iron Dwarves.
30 seconds remaining

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Aim of the Tuskarr
Granted 600 critical strike rating by the form of the Tuskarr.
30 seconds remaining

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Speed of the Gorloc
Granted 600 haste rating by the form of the Gorloc.
30 seconds remaining

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So sexy! I am factoring a 2 minute ICD at this stage but that is untested.

thanks secksy!

damn spelling..

It's an interesting trinket that's for sure. Thanks for finding those procs Secksy!

I'm thinking that right now the two best trinkets will be heroic Death's Verdict/Choice and (still) Comet's Trail. All that ArPen kinda makes me shy away from the new trinket though. I have very little ArPen to begin with so I think that trinket would be much better suited to a Warrior/blood DK/Hunter/Rogue.

The new Emblem trinket seems promising, though I agree I will prolly be wearing Death's Verdict for a while.

I think I'll shy away from Deathbringer's Will simply because of the RNG factor. Though I admit it is a nifty trinket.

let's assume 1.9 ep value for haste, 1.7 ep value for agility
for speculation on deathbringer's will... 1.5 ep value for ArPen, 1.1 for str, 1.9 for crit

Herkuml War Token (frost emblems)
153 haste
stacking atp buff up to 340 atp... let's treat this like a static 300atp to be conservative
Ep Value = ~590.7

Death's Choice (heroic)
288 atp
510 agi, uptime approx 33%
Ep Value = ~574.11

Death's Verdict (normal)
256 atp
450 agi, uptime approx 33%
Ep Value = ~508.45

Comet's Trail (algalon)
240 atp
726 haste, uptime approx 20%
Ep Value= ~515.88


Deathbringer's Will (normal)
155 ArPen
30 seconds of +600 str, agi, ArPen, crit, or haste or +1200 atp, unknown cooldown
Ep Value = ~232.5 + (30300 / cooldown in seconds)

Deathbringer's Will (heroic)
167 ArPen
30 seconds of +700 str, agi, ArPen, crit, or haste or +1400 atp, unknown cooldown
Ep Value = ~250.5 + (35350 / cooldown in seconds)

Assume your Ep Values are similar to these, the badge trinket will be 1st or second BiS (based on known loot table). The other BiS trinket depends on the cooldown on deathbringer's will. Based on the ilvl, if the cooldown is 90s seconds then DBW will be 3rd BiS (EP value 569.17) behind Death's Choice, with the heroic version of DBW BiS (EP value 643.28).

Again, this is based on known loot table and assumption for EP values and trinket cooldown on DBW.

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I think that trinket would be much better suited to a Warrior/blood DK/Hunter/Rogue.

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A 2m ICD (according to some other post) strength proc doesn't help a hunter pull a trigger harder.

This trinket is probably best suited to warriors, rogues and dks. Warriors will probably benefit from it most since a strength proc for a rogue is like 'oh 660 ap... great' (assuming BoK). I'm not too familiar with DKS but I hear Arp is good for Blood dps.

Seriously any hunter who would take DBW should turn their weapon on themselves.

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A 2m ICD (according to some other post) strength proc doesn't help a hunter pull a trigger harder.

This trinket is probably best suited to warriors, rogues and dks. Warriors will probably benefit from it most since a strength proc for a rogue is like 'oh 660 ap... great' (assuming BoK). I'm not too familiar with DKS but I hear Arp is good for Blood dps.

Seriously any hunter who would take DBW should turn their weapon on themselves.

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It's not JUST a strength proc. There's an agility version as well. Who's to say it wont work something like the Darkmoon Cards or Death's Verdict/Choice?

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A 2m ICD (according to some other post) strength proc doesn't help a hunter pull a trigger harder.

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2 min ICD would put the trinket as worse than ilvl 245 Death's Verdict, and better than pretty much everything else

less than amazing, but made up for by the other awesome trinkets in ICC

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let's assume 1.9 ep value for haste, 1.7 ep value for agility
for speculation on deathbringer's will... 1.5 ep value for ArPen, 1.1 for str, 1.9 for crit

Herkuml War Token (frost emblems)
153 haste
stacking atp buff up to 340 atp... let's treat this like a static 300atp to be conservative
Ep Value = ~590.7

Death's Choice (heroic)
288 atp
510 agi, uptime approx 33%
Ep Value = ~574.11

Death's Verdict (normal)
256 atp
450 agi, uptime approx 33%
Ep Value = ~508.45

Comet's Trail (algalon)
240 atp
726 haste, uptime approx 20%
Ep Value= ~515.88


Deathbringer's Will (normal)
155 ArPen
30 seconds of +600 str, agi, ArPen, crit, or haste or +1200 atp, unknown cooldown
Ep Value = ~232.5 + (30300 / cooldown in seconds)

Deathbringer's Will (heroic)
167 ArPen
30 seconds of +700 str, agi, ArPen, crit, or haste or +1400 atp, unknown cooldown
Ep Value = ~250.5 + (35350 / cooldown in seconds)

Assume your Ep Values are similar to these, the badge trinket will be 1st or second BiS (based on known loot table). The other BiS trinket depends on the cooldown on deathbringer's will. Based on the ilvl, if the cooldown is 90s seconds then DBW will be 3rd BiS (EP value 569.17) behind Death's Choice, with the heroic version of DBW BiS (EP value 643.28).

Again, this is based on known loot table and assumption for EP values and trinket cooldown on DBW.

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you need to revise your math on these since the EP values for haste are changing dramaticaly due to fire nova changes

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you need to revise your math on these since the EP values for haste are changing dramaticaly due to fire nova changes

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haste EP won't change significantly

it's already conservatively being used as 1.9 here, while the sim will generally put it in the 1.95-2.1 range. ICC will likely have haste valued somewhere around the 1.85-1.95

anyways, this is all just napkin math because it can't accurately predict the fluctating EP values of stats in a dynamic enviroment; but fair enough napkin math to make speculations about the relative value of the trinkets

case and point: Herkuml War Token is still better than all 3.2 trinkets even with haste estimated as 1.8 EP. Considering that the stacking atp is only assumed as static 300 atp instead of a more realistic 320-330, there's no way this trinket isn't >= heroic death's verdict, even if haste is only as valuable as agility

< hunter with it... And it procs only 3 of the diffrent abilitys/stats that are predetermined by ur class. Hunters get AP/AGI/Crit with 105 sec ICD although the crit one im still showing @ 320sec ICD idk why..

It'll probably be Agi/AP/Haste for Shamans if they do it right, but I have a feeling they didn't.

I think the general consensus at EJ is that badge trinket > heroic ICC10 trinket off Deathwhisper > everything else, with Tiny Abomination in a Jar needing some testing before it can be judged.

The ICD is 1:45. 30 seconds of that is buff uptime.