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  • 0. Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:00:42 AM PST
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Warlock Illidan form
Army of the Dead
Thunderstorm
Blast Wave
HEROIC LEAP!

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  • 1. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:07:22 AM PST
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I still hate Feral Charge (Cat).

Quick question:

PvP Arms Warriors have Charge and Intercept on separate 20/25 cooldowns.
PvP Feral Druids have FCC and FCB on SHARED 15/30 cooldowns.

Why? I'd understand if they were both 15 seconds... then they could share a CD, or they didn't share a CD and it was 15/30... but 15/30 and sharing a CD? WTF!?

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  • 2. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:12:25 AM PST
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Level 85 skill plox. Give it high threat and a knockaway component that you can glyph out of.

Solve several problems at once imo.

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  • 3. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:13:38 AM PST
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Level 85 skill plox. Give it a knockaway component that you can glyph out of.



They've already confirmed no new skills or talents for 85... just more points, refreshing the talent trees (think class review2.0), and changing some racials/talents/spells to be more "fun"

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  • Tichondrius
  • 4. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:15:29 AM PST
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I still hate Feral Charge (Cat).

Quick question:

PvP Arms Warriors have Charge and Intercept on separate 20/25 cooldowns.
PvP Feral Druids have FCC and FCB on SHARED 15/30 cooldowns.

Why? I'd understand if they were both 15 seconds... then they could share a CD, or they didn't share a CD and it was 15/30... but 15/30 and sharing a CD? WTF!?


Not that it's at all relevant to the thread, but it's because you can shift out of snares and roots, and are immune to several ccs, while warriors just sit in them.

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  • 5. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:19:04 AM PST
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They've already confirmed no new skills or talents for 85... just more points, refreshing the talent trees (think class review2.0), and changing some racials/talents/spells to be more "fun"


I knew about no new talents, but no new skill? Not even at 85?
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  • Magtheridon
  • 6. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:21:38 AM PST
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Keep in mind that the talent revamp will probably introduce a lot of new things in and of itself.

Though I don't know that I think warriors need more mobility in pvp ;p

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  • 7. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:24:25 AM PST
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Keep in mind that the talent revamp will probably introduce a lot of new things in and of itself.

Though I don't know that I think warriors need more mobility in pvp ;p

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  • Frostmourne
  • 8. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:25:00 AM PST
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No, if Warriors get heroic leap, i'll be unable to log out simply because i'll be on my Warrior using the coolest thing since... well, ever, on cooldown, every cooldown.
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  • Shadowmoon
  • 9. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:31:26 AM PST
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Keep in mind that the talent revamp will probably introduce a lot of new things in and of itself.

Though I don't know that I think warriors need more mobility in pvp ;p


You're absolutely correct warriors don't need more mobility.

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  • Kilrogg
  • 10. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:32:14 AM PST
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I still hate Feral Charge (Cat).

Quick question:

PvP Arms Warriors have Charge and Intercept on separate 20/25 cooldowns.
PvP Feral Druids have FCC and FCB on SHARED 15/30 cooldowns.

Why? I'd understand if they were both 15 seconds... then they could share a CD, or they didn't share a CD and it was 15/30... but 15/30 and sharing a CD? WTF!?


I don't really think it's necessary for feral druids to have more abilities to stay on top of people.

There's already:
50% Snare
Feral Charge (at least one)
30% run speed
Dash
Shapeshifting
And stuns
Immunity to polys
And a fear break

Not saying ferals are OP. Just saying that feral ability of getting and staying on target can hardly be rivaled by any other class/spec.
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  • Tichondrius
  • 11. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:36:40 AM PST
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I don't believe it was asking for "more" mobility.

Heroic leap would just replace heroic fury, which was the stand in ability that replaced heroic leap when they had too many coding errors with it and decided to throw in the towel.

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  • Frostmourne
  • 12. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:40:45 AM PST
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I don't believe it was asking for "more" mobility.

Heroic leap would just replace heroic fury, which was the stand in ability that replaced heroic leap when they had too many coding errors with it and decided to throw in the towel.


it wasn't errors, it was Azeroth.
people were using it to get to places that the developers of '04 never really intended people to see, resulting in... problems, falling through the world, respawning in the barrens, etc.
the functionaility is already in Game, Unholy Death Knight ghouls have it, with flying in Azeroth Heroic Leap should be perfectly functional.
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  • Kilrogg
  • 13. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:49:08 AM PST
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it wasn't errors, it was Azeroth.
people were using it to get to places that the developers of '04 never really intended people to see, resulting in... problems, falling through the world, respawning in the barrens, etc.
the functionaility is already in Game, Unholy Death Knight ghouls have it, with flying in Azeroth Heroic Leap should be perfectly functional.


DK ghoul leap teleports to an actual target that exists. The problem with heroic leap is the same with the current issue with blink, that there is a target location that the ability wants to go to but has to check exists while you're actually using the ability.

Maybe when they fix the terrain there won't be so many bugs with the ability but then again blink has issues old world and new.
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  • 14. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:49:21 AM PST
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I still hate Feral Charge (Cat).

Quick question:

PvP Arms Warriors have Charge and Intercept on separate 20/25 cooldowns.
PvP Feral Druids have FCC and FCB on SHARED 15/30 cooldowns.

Why? I'd understand if they were both 15 seconds... then they could share a CD, or they didn't share a CD and it was 15/30... but 15/30 and sharing a CD? WTF!?


We don't need them to be on separate cooldowns, we just need Feral Charge (Cat) to actually place you in the vicinity of your target.

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  • 15. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:57:06 AM PST
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We don't need them to be on separate cooldowns, we just need Feral Charge (Cat) to actually place you in the vicinity of your target.


Oh man... that would be so nice...

I'm gunna stream some arena with my 60ms later and yell EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED time I use Cat Charge and end up no where near the person I used it on.

I just wish they'd throw in the towel with Cat Charge and put a 1.5 second stun on it instead of the daze and ensure the travel-time doesn't get above 1.5 second... fixt forever.

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  • Shadowmoon
  • 16. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 08:58:45 AM PST
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Oh man... that would be so nice...

I'm gunna stream some arena with my 60ms later and yell EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED time I use Cat Charge and end up no where near the person I used it on.

I just wish they'd throw in the towel with Cat Charge and put a 1.5 second stun on it instead of the daze and ensure the travel-time doesn't get above 1.5 second... fixt forever.


Why are you using Feral Charge Cat anyways? I never use it because it's that bad, and the CD sucks too.

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  • 17. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 09:01:57 AM PST
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Why are you using Feral Charge Cat anyways? I never use it because it's that bad, and the CD sucks too.


Because if by some miracle it does put you near your target, you've gotten there in 1 Cat Form GCD (1 second) instead of 3 Caster/Bear form GCDs (4.5 seconds). It's just faster to use.

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  • 18. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 09:02:03 AM PST
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Why are you using Feral Charge Cat anyways? I never use it because it's that bad, and the CD sucks too.


Sometimes you just NEED to be on someone in a DPS form and you can't take 4-5 seconds of shifting to do it... might as well walk over instead of:

SS to bear form (1.5)
Use FC (1-2s depending on latency)
SS to cat form (1.5 sec)

BTW: That cost 1200 mana of your 6800...

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Because if by some miracle it does put you near your target, you've gotten there in 1 Cat Form GCD (1 second) instead of 3 Caster/Bear form GCDs (4.5 seconds). It's just faster to use.


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  • 19. Re: Heroic Leap for Cataclysm please?   11/05/2009 09:02:44 AM PST
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Why are you using Feral Charge Cat anyways? I never use it because it's that bad, and the CD sucks too.



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