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I'm surprised you even took the time to respond to this GC, even I know the matter is minor since it's only a tooltip change. I get the feeling you just wanted to try and make me look dumb thinking that I didn't understand that it was merely a tooltip change.

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No, you do that quite well on your own. GC was just making sure people who have a chance at comprehension don't get confused by your idiotic rambling.

Also would be nice if you answered one question: When, exactly, would you have nothing better in PvP to push than Mocking blow?

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No, you do that quite well on your own. GC was just making sure people who have a chance at comprehension don't get confused by your idiotic rambling.

Also would be nice if you answered one question: When, exactly, would you have nothing better in PvP to push than Mocking blow?

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I know it wasn't touched since the day it was created though, so no stupidity here I'm sorry to say. Although he tried to make it seem like I saw the patch notes, thought it got nerfed, and nerdraged. If you had read my responce to this however you'd realize I've been well aware the ability isn't changing at all come the patch, only the tooltip. The point of my post was to point out how poorly designed the ability was in the first place and that the incoming tooltip change is just them giving up on making the ability function properly.

To answer your question: After I've charged, applied Hamstring, Rend, and MS theres a small gap before Taste for blood procs where I have nothing really to press offensively while on the move (if I was stationary I could use slam, but that's very rare that I have the opportunity to stand still long enough to utilize it).

I mean I could hit bladestorm but that's also a once a minute cooldown, the gap I mentioned comes up more then once a minute.

Happy now? Are you convinced that my posts aren't the "idiotic ramblings" you first thought they were? If not that's your failure, not mine.

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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Don't lie GC, you've been looking for a chance to "lolscrub" him all day. I overheard you talking about it to Zarhym on your lunch break.

usomean. :[

So, in other words, you posted, not because you had a question, nor because you thought the ability was broken, but because you don't like it. All of this because you think the ability is "poorly designed" even though it functions exactly as it was meant to, with no "glitchy implementation," it just functions in a way you don't like.

Do you feel better after venting? Because that was really the only purpose this thread served.

Please clean up your emotional vomit from the forums on your way out.

I'm normally a fan of colloquial language. However, I cannot remain silent about this issue anymore. It causes severe problems when percussionists communicate about their craft to others! :)

The more you know! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(percussion)

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We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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>.<

It doesn't have to TAUNT anyone, but it probably should deal damage. I think it's a bit... inconsistent with all other abilities in the game and not very intuitive. I would expect the ability to deal damage to all target and simply not taunt them, if I wasn't better informed...

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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So a deep protection talent for certain tanks where if taunt was used on a player, they couldn't target someone else for say 6 seconds AND have a 30 second to 1 minute cooldown would be annoying???

1) They aren't CC'd, silenced, or locked out of a school of magic, they just can only target the tank
2) It's only for 6 seconds out of every *insert time that is balanced*
3) It's a cool fun addition to Protection PVP.

pro⋅tec⋅tion   Pronunciation [pruh-tek-shuhn]
–noun
1. the act of protecting or the state of being protected; preservation from injury or harm.
2. a thing, person, or group that protects:


Now you talked about wanting to get protection spec's into arena more often (and not as healers) and this might just be the way to do it. Say your healer is getting zerged down, having a protection Warrior/Paladin in your group drops your overall DPS comparred to if you had a dps there, but you gain stuns, silences and if this were to go through, a way to protect your healer. This could be especially fun for Battleground when running the flag.

I don't see it as annoying, annoying is being a clothie with no stun breaks who then gets stunned, silenced, then locked out of an entire school of magic, and then stunned again. That's annoying. This is something that could be fun. Your team is giving up dps for utility and fun utility at that.

Please reconsider a taunt in PVP. Feign death drops your target, this might be the opposite.

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>.<

It doesn't have to TAUNT anyone, but it probably should deal damage. I think it's a bit... inconsistent with all other abilities in the game and not very intuitive. I would expect the ability to deal damage to all target and simply not taunt them, if I wasn't better informed...

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Yeah really, it isn't about weather it taunts or not. It's about the fact that it deals damage in one case but not in another.

It's like the exorcism change that made it so you couldn't use it on players. You guys didn't like that change at all ether so it was reverted to having a longer cooldown and a cast time. Just to state a similar example of why I think mocking blow was poorly implemented. It's along those lines IMO.

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So, in other words, you posted, not because you had a question, nor because you thought the ability was broken, but because you don't like it. All of this because you think the ability is "poorly designed" even though it functions exactly as it was meant to, with no "glitchy implementation," it just functions in a way you don't like.

Do you feel better after venting? Because that was really the only purpose this thread served.

Please clean up your emotional vomit from the forums on your way out.

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Geez way to be outright rude and abrasive.

You want to know why I think it's poorly implemented? I highly suspect that back when the ability was created (years ago my rather barbaric forum aquantance...) the damage was tied to the taunt/focus mechanic of the ability and players being imune to taunt made them immune to the entire ability altogether. It's easy to see that being a possible oversight and it's been left alone because the ability being in PvP doesn't have much impact on the game as a whole. Since then mechanics have been updated and we even see dual purpose abilities that have a portion that doesn't work in PvP but the ability as a whole still has use ala deathgrip.

Sorry if being a programmer means I get anal about potential mistakes I see in implementation. It's my job, (although not in the context of WoW or the forums) so it comes naturally to want to discuss it. Sorry if it ended up detracting GC's attention from the pressing issues you have but I doubt he would have discussed anything important to you anyway.

Far from emotional vomit or venting. More like constructive criticism. I'll leave my opinion right where it's at thank you very much.

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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I think distract is annoying :/ Can you disable that for pvp too?

It's just like Hand of Reckoning.

If the target is tauntable, it deals damage. If not... well why are you expecting a taunt (damage or taunt portion) to work on something that isn't tauntable?

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Yeah really, it isn't about weather it taunts or not. It's about the fact that it deals damage in one case but not in another.

It's like the exorcism change that made it so you couldn't use it on players. You guys didn't like that change at all ether so it was reverted to having a longer cooldown and a cast time. Just to state a similar example of why I think mocking blow was poorly implemented. It's along those lines IMO.

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Hand of Reckoning is in the same boat as Mocking Blow though, as far as I know. Taunt moves that do damage don't seem to be active in pvp.

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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I guess I wasn't too clear that the mocking blow change is limited to a tooltip change, my appologies for the acusation.

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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I agree that taunt working in PvP would be totally annoying. But so are stuns, fears, death grip, knock backs, etc. So I don't think the annoyance is a good reason to not consider it.

A better reason would be that it will become a new tool for paladins, druids, warriors and death knights of other specs than tanking specs.

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We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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Like feign death...

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Maybe misdirect should work in PvP too.

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We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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"Annoying" is a terrible reason. Lots of things are annoying in PvP. Taunt mechanics are fine and acceptable in "other" games; we're not breaking new ground here conceptually.

Now, I will grant you that given the current equilibrium and how WoW PvP has evolved it would be difficult to imagine that mechanic being added, but I wish it were something that was considered more seriously 2-3 years ago.

Having said all this, WotLK has obliterated my enjoyment of BGs/Arenas, so I'm not fussed either way. Hopefully Cataclysm rekindles some interest, but it's so far gone ...

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SLAP IN THE FACE BRO, TOTAL SLAP IN TEH FACE!

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MOCKING BLOW TO THE FACE BRO, TOTAL MOCKING BLOW TO THE FACE!

Distract working in PvP is really annoying. The fact that Distract works in PvP while taunt mechanics don't seems a bit... incongruous to me.

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I wasn't trying to single you out. Our tooltip changes get reported on news sites and players then sometimes think they were nerfed. We try to patch note actual changes. I wanted to clarify that we haven't changed Mocking Blow, so I was trying to address the topic more than you specifically.

We understand that some players think taunts should work in PvP. That's a valid viewpoint and I wouldn't mock (rimshot) anyone for it. We just think it would be annoying.

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I think you should nerf the news websites then.