it needs to be fixed because its unfair and more importantly, ruins the experience for everyone involved. ive been playing wow for 4years and never have i seen such indifference to what is obviously a major design flaw. very poor customer service like this is what makes people leave wow forever. its not the issue, its the lack of effort to correct it

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it needs to be fixed because its unfair and more importantly, ruins the experience for everyone involved. ive been playing wow for 4years and never have i seen such indifference to what is obviously a major design flaw. very poor customer service like this is what makes people leave wow forever. its not the issue, its the lack of effort to correct it

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Customer service = ingame mechanism?

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it needs to be fixed because its unfair and more importantly, ruins the experience for everyone involved. ive been playing wow for 4years and never have i seen such indifference to what is obviously a major design flaw. very poor customer service like this is what makes people leave wow forever. its not the issue, its the lack of effort to correct it

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Unfixed Glitch = People leaving WoW forever

So what "cheat" are you talking about?

If you are referring to how one side seems to get a bunch of siege engines very fast (within the first minute or so), that is not a cheat. It is designed that way for one side who tends to lose a lot to have fast ranks when on offense.

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Unfixed Glitch = People leaving WoW forever

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lol.

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it needs to be fixed because its unfair and more importantly, ruins the experience for everyone involved. ive been playing wow for 4years and never have i seen such indifference to what is obviously a major design flaw. very poor customer service like this is what makes people leave wow forever. its not the issue, its the lack of effort to correct it

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If you mean people ranking up and getting siege engines in only one or two minutes, that's not a bug.

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it needs to be fixed because its unfair and more importantly, ruins the experience for everyone involved. ive been playing wow for 4years and never have i seen such indifference to what is obviously a major design flaw. very poor customer service like this is what makes people leave wow forever. its not the issue, its the lack of effort to correct it

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L2Defend

Working as intended

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So what "cheat" are you talking about?

If you are referring to how one side seems to get a bunch of siege engines very fast (within the first minute or so), that is not a cheat. It is designed that way for one side who tends to lose a lot to have fast ranks when on offense.

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Dumbest fix ever. So basically, some players are destined to lose for no other reason than the other side hasn't won enough. This makes for a crappy game that everyone just ridicules as an "exploit" or "hax" or "unfair." Fair criticism imo.

Blizz, you made all these servers with unbalanced populations. Do what you did with battle.net and just force people to do things they don't want to do. They're addicted, so they'll continue paying. Don't worry about your shareholders, they'll be happy.

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Dumbest fix ever. So basically, some players are destined to lose for no other reason than the other side hasn't won enough. This makes for a crappy game that everyone just ridicules as an "exploit" or "hax" or "unfair." Fair criticism imo.

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Cry more, it's there to stop one side from owning WG/VoA forever.

There is no glitch. Tenacity cannot be carried over between games by logging out... Tenacity is applied at the start of EVERY game to the side with the fewest players. It also affects ranking, allowing someone with 20 stacks of tenacity to hit max rank with 1 kill. It also has NOTHING to do with which side has won/lost more. It is SOLELY based on how many players are in the zone from each side.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Tenacity_(Wintergrasp)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Wintergrasp

"Being a world PvP zone, it is possible to have grossly unbalanced teams in a Wintergrasp match. This is addressed by granting the smaller team a buff called Tenacity. The greater the difference in the number of players, the more stacks of Tenacity the smaller team gets. Tenacity also applies to vehicles the team controls. However, vehicles only get a health increase with tenacity not a damage bonus."

"Tenacity also affects the number of kills needed to advance rank. In extreme situations a single kill can advance a player from Recruit to First Lieutenant allowing the side to begin building seige vehicles from the very beginning of the battle."

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Dumbest fix ever. So basically, some players are destined to lose for no other reason than the other side hasn't won enough. This makes for a crappy game that everyone just ridicules as an "exploit" or "hax" or "unfair." Fair criticism imo.

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You are not destined to lose. It just gives the side that loses often a better chance. A good defense will still beat the siege zerg. The only people that cry about it being an exploit are those that dont like the fact that they cant just roflstomp the other side and/or have not learned how to defend because they are to busy taking over workshops like they used to when they werent forced to defend. There are many servers that still defend against the siege zerg on a regular basis.

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There is no glitch. Tenacity cannot be carried over between games by logging out... Tenacity is applied at the start of EVERY game to the side with the fewest players. It also affects ranking, allowing someone with 20 stacks of tenacity to hit max rank with 1 kill.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Tenacity_(Wintergrasp)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Wintergrasp

"Being a world PvP zone, it is possible to have grossly unbalanced teams in a Wintergrasp match. This is addressed by granting the smaller team a buff called Tenacity. The greater the difference in the number of players, the more stacks of Tenacity the smaller team gets. Tenacity also applies to vehicles the team controls. However, vehicles only get a health increase with tenacity not a damage bonus."

"Tenacity also affects the number of kills needed to advance rank. In extreme situations a single kill can advance a player from Recruit to First Lieutenant allowing the side to begin building seige vehicles from the very beginning of the battle."

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The wiki is wrong. Tenacity has nothing to do with fast rank and is a completely seperate mechanic. It is simply the case that the side with tenacity also happens to be the side that loses all the time. If you lose alot you can get instant rank from one kill whether you have lots of tenacity or not. Tenacity is based on the ratio of players in that given battle while the fast rank and number of starting workshops are based on past battles.

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The wiki is wrong. Tenacity has nothing to do with fast rank and is a completely seperate mechanic. It is simply the case that the side with tenacity also happens to be the side that loses all the time. If you lose alot you can get instant rank from one kill whether you have lots of tenacity or not. Tenacity is based on the ratio of players in that given battle while the fast rank and number of starting workshops are based on past battles.

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No, you are wrong. Tenacity does affect ranks. Ranks have nothing to do with who lost more...

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You are not destined to lose. It just gives the side that loses often a better chance. A good defense will still beat the siege zerg. The only people that cry about it being an exploit are those that dont like the fact that they cant just roflstomp the other side and/or have not learned how to defend because they are to busy taking over workshops like they used to when they werent forced to defend. There are many servers that still defend against the siege zerg on a regular basis.

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Do you work for Blizz or something? You consider defending a siege zerg with multiple tenacity fun? I don't know many that consider that fun. Most of the time, the siege zerg wins. Once in a blue moon, ya maybe it gets defended. Fine. Then how about the next time, or the next time after that, or the next time after that. Ya, once again, something tells me the fun factor is gone at that point.

It's a stupid system that is not fun and people don't like it, but they accept it because there's no other option. Balance the servers, kill the crap servers with low pops... do something that makes it more than "Oh, we haven't won in a while so now we get to win! yippee!" Imagine if BGs or arenas were like this... sheesh!! Oh wait, BGs and arenas usually have the same numbers! What a concept!

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Dumbest fix ever. So basically, some players are destined to lose for no other reason than the other side hasn't won enough. This makes for a crappy game that everyone just ridicules as an "exploit" or "hax" or "unfair." Fair criticism imo.

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You can defend against the tank zerg.

Darkspear horde has successfully defended ~twice as often as Alliance

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No, you are wrong. Tenacity does affect ranks. Ranks have nothing to do with who lost more...

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rofl he's right dude, you are the one who is wrong..