the only thing i wish they would fix was make it so defenders had to do more than sit at the breached inner wall and spam aoe to defend the keep doors

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So...

logging out before a Wintergrasp battle ends, so you can retain your rank and get a vehicle instantly next round...

is "working as intended"?

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For the millionth time,

THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

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So...

logging out before a Wintergrasp battle ends, so you can retain your rank and get a vehicle instantly next round...

is "working as intended"?

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I'm yet to see this happen, ever, on both sides. Every single time it's tenacity lowering the kill count requirement to achieve rank 3.

If you're alliance and are defending, don't go near the north-west workshop unless you want to give most of the zoning in horde instant rank 3. Same applied to Horde and Sunken Ring.

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I would prefer rocket-propelled Bornakks.

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Chuck Norris would have competition.

If we lose it's exploits and game imbalance.

True story.

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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Yup - thanks to you Bornakk - the word is spread so well that the horde now abuse that little "game design" on our server and ALWAYS have instant siege tanks regardless of how many times they won or lost. And I say this in a somewhat positive sense, as I know you know the way I'm talking about - the way that got me banned from these forums when I came out here and flat-out said how it can be abused. And trust me, it has nothing to do with rank-logging...

Considering they usually have tenacity coupled with the 3 tower initial buff - even if we have 20 people with rockets standing right there at the NW corner at the start of the game - it will only damage them, but not enough for them to get to the door in one minute...

My only hope is that the upcoming 3.3 change will elevate the abusive nature of the mechanic, but I can already see one method it can be further abused...

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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Also known as the "Stop defending WG and just let the other side have it" feature.

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You CAN defend it though if people put effort into it. I'm not going to give any real strategy but simply list some options for defense. The RP-GGs are one option, send people out there to soften up the vehicles, once you get some kills you can use the vehicle factories in the fortress to have mobile defenses. I have played on both sides of Wintergrasp and while I have lost a fair amount, I can definitely tell the difference in the way the game was played when on the losing end versus the side that defends and attacks well.

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Regardless if a side can compellingly push back against the favor, the favor exists. I can only think of one word regardless if you win or lose due to Blizzard slipping in aces into a player's hand... "lame"

I hope in the future you do not design areas that include this type of foul flavored achievement.

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You CAN defend it though if people put effort into it. I'm not going to give any real strategy but simply list some options for defense. The RP-GGs are one option, send people out there to soften up the vehicles, once you get some kills you can use the vehicle factories in the fortress to have mobile defenses. I have played on both sides of Wintergrasp and while I have lost a fair amount, I can definitely tell the difference in the way the game was played when on the losing end versus the side that defends and attacks well.

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Hey Bornakk... any thoughts if they'll be fixing the catapults driving through the openings in the walls?

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So...

logging out before a Wintergrasp battle ends, so you can retain your rank and get a vehicle instantly next round...

is "working as intended"?

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This is not how they "cheat" - this method doesn't work.

The way they cheat is something completely different - but I won't say it as last time I did, I got banned from the forums. =(

But, as I said then, I'm glad I did get banned - cus at least Blizz showed me that they are aware there is a very obvious way to exploit the game mechanics to get instant siege tanks. Looking at 3.3 it seems there's at least one step in trying to prevent this...

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You CAN defend it though if people put effort into it. I'm not going to give any real strategy but simply list some options for defense. The RP-GGs are one option, send people out there to soften up the vehicles, once you get some kills you can use the vehicle factories in the fortress to have mobile defenses. I have played on both sides of Wintergrasp and while I have lost a fair amount, I can definitely tell the difference in the way the game was played when on the losing end versus the side that defends and attacks well.

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Bornakk, I think he was referring to the people who fly in and station themselves on the wall before WG starts.

They kill the guns. When you target them "target is not in line of sight" yet they're still shooting the freaking cannon.

I find this funny. People on the Alliance on my server blamed every loss to "HAX!"

Then I faction changed my Rogue and found the Horde were doing the same thing.

Truth is, neither side is cheating. You can just make vehicles fast if you find some people to kill right away. That's it.

WG should favor the attacker more than the defender that way it'll be swap between the two faction more readily (which in my mind is more balance).

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we feel it would be worse if one faction never had access to VoA for an entire week.

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Thar be the crux of the problem. Poor design = Arbitrary win/loss.

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You CAN defend it though if people put effort into it. I'm not going to give any real strategy but simply list some options for defense. The RP-GGs are one option, send people out there to soften up the vehicles, once you get some kills you can use the vehicle factories in the fortress to have mobile defenses. I have played on both sides of Wintergrasp and while I have lost a fair amount, I can definitely tell the difference in the way the game was played when on the losing end versus the side that defends and attacks well.

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softens? More like one shots.


And sometimes you *can't* stop a player from wrecking all the turrets on the keep.

I mean, since, you know, they flew in and landed on the wall, and then the match started, so you know, you can't fly?


Unless there's a ranged spec for each class you're hiding from us just give the top of the buildings in WG a polish job and make them impossible to stay on top of.

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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they do about 25k damage, have about a 6 second casting time, and horrible accuracy. seriously, what ranged class cant put out more than 25k damage in 6 seconds?

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softens? More like one shots.


And sometimes you *can't* stop a player from wrecking all the turrets on the keep.

I mean, since, you know, they flew in and landed on the wall, and then the match started, so you know, you can't fly?


Unless there's a ranged spec for each class you're hiding from us just give the top of the buildings in WG a polish job and make them impossible to stay on top of.

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Or...

If you know people are going to be flying in and landing on the wall, you could patrol before the match and either kill them or force them off.

It's a pvp zone, you don't have to wait until the actual match starts to engage the enemy.

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Or...

If you know people are going to be flying in and landing on the wall, you could patrol before the match and either kill them or force them off.

It's a pvp zone, you don't have to wait until the actual match starts to engage the enemy.

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Or you know, since the zone was originally designed so that you couldn't use flying mounts at all, it's probably a terrain exploit.

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Regardless if a side can compellingly push back against the favor, the favor exists. I can only think of one word regardless if you win or lose due to Blizzard slipping in aces into a player's hand... "lame"

I hope in the future you do not design areas that include this type of foul flavored achievement.

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If you were on a server/faction where your fellow alliance mindless dashed themselves at the gate while you banged your head against the keyboard crying "why, why, why, why, why....why, why, why" You might feel a bit different.

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^
On my server we are always outnumbered and run an average of 7-9 tenacity.

I receive the rank to purchase all siege weapons as soon as i, or anyone in the raid kills 1 horde or npc.

Sadly we still lose the majority of the time. But i'd blame that more on lack of co-ordination than i would on the game mechanics.
(Although, it is pretty ridiculous that 1 person with goblin rockets can take out your entire train of siege engines from behind the wall as soon as your tanks reach the door)

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>.>

The horde on my server routinely defend Wintegrasp.Tenacity is pretty broken in a 1v1 or 1v2 or even 1v5 depending on how massively outnumbered you are, but without it the outnumbered side would never win Wintergrasp. Even with tenacity, the Horde on my server (replace with your faction that outnumbers opposite faction) have defended Wintergrasp nearly 20 or 30 times(?) as much as the Alliance. I think their successful defense record is still in the double digits ....<.<

That being said, an active defense that pressures siege workshops, not allowing the offense more than 8-12 vehicles and destroys the southern tower, as well as ranging out to place damage on siege engines from outside the fortress to until they get inside will win much more consistently than a defensive that allows the siege engines to get the the relic doors untouched.