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Cry more, it's there to stop one side from owning WG/VoA forever.

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Isn't that technically a cry more too?

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Cry more, it's there to stop one side from owning WG/VoA forever.

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Since they limit how many people get into the zone now, the easiest thing to do would just be to match the numbers on each side and do away with fast ranking and tenacity and actually have a completely fair fight with balanced numbers.

wouldn't it be fun to the people exploiting it? thus your title does not work.

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rofl he's right dude, you are the one who is wrong..

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Wowwiki >>>>> tards who follow the rumours spread by other tards who dont even understand why tenacity is granted.

Why would anyone want to be on Defense 100% of the time? It's way more fun to attack the Keep than it is to defend it, especially when the other side has Tenacity x 5 and are defending the southern workshops when you and 3 other people are the only ones that bothered to try and go south to destroy towers.

Also, losing effects rank. Multiple losses means the attacker ranks up quicker. Tenacity is purely a buff for the side that has less players. It just so happens that the two USUALLY coincide. There is no cheat. Suck it up and learn to lose gracefully or don't play.

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Wowwiki >>>>> tards who follow the rumours spread by other tards who dont even understand why tenacity is granted.

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lol mmmk whatever you say lvl 33 forum troll

The bigger problem is none of these "buffs" can offset the numbers advantage by any meaningful amount.

Sure i can one shot a horde when im 20tenacity stacked .... but that also means there are full groups of them at every major workshop while i try to hold 1 .... I'm still going to lose because we can't build more than 4 vehicles and those said vehicles are not gong to surive the rain of RP-GGs that will come crashing down like some Robotech anime.

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Blizz, you made all these servers with unbalanced populations.

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Last time I looked, whenever they opened a new server, it had ZERO population.
After that, it is up to the players to populate it.

So how did Blizz make the populations unbalanced?
Looks to me that the players did that, by creating or not creating a particular faction character on a particular server.

On my server, looking at the log book in WG, ally has about 800 defended to the horde around 130.

Which means horde loses seven times more often than ally does.
So every WG battle, the horde starts with 0/16 vehicles and ally starts with 0/8, no matter if on offense or defense. And when on offense, the horde can rank up real fast. But that still does not guarantee a win, just gives them a "boost" to their chances.

This is a "balancing" measure built in to the game program to allow WG to change sides at some reasonable frequency. Otherwise the horde (on my server) would almost never have it.

NOT A BUG. NOT A CHEAT. It is a deliberate design. If you want that changed, post your suggestions in the suggestion forum.

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The bigger problem is none of these "buffs" can offset the numbers advantage by any meaningful amount.

Sure i can one shot a horde when im 20tenacity stacked .... but that also means there are full groups of them at every major workshop while i try to hold 1 .... I'm still going to lose because we can't build more than 4 vehicles and those said vehicles are not gong to surive the rain of RP-GGs that will come crashing down like some Robotech anime.

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Agreed.

Tenacity stops being useful at 6 or so stacks.

Who cares if I have 50k hit points if our 4 siege engines hit for a normal amount.

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Im so cool, I can "FIRST!" before the Blue even happens.

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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How about you fix the fact that you can fly near the outer wall cannons un detected before a game and destroy the guns and keep destroying all the guns on that side of the wall than tell your team to stack there and you can't defend it.

Fix that blizzard.

What are the Keep turrets for?

I would prefer rocket-propelled Bornakks.

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first!

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no your not I win!

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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This...

I know many times there's the insta-zerg of a dozen siege coming at the fort on defense... of course, the guns on the outer walls are all down thanks to the one rogue with 10 stacks of tenacity one-shotting everyone and killing the cannon... so they get to and through the outer wall and are met by a hail storm of RP-GGs. Break that initial zerg and it's anyone's ballgame... except for the fact that they maintain a few stacks of tenacity when it appears to be balanced numbers (this could be a perception issue, but I wonder if there's a game mechanic in place for this as well...)

Yeah, a bunch of RP-GGs do indeed to wonders.

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How about you fix the fact that you can fly near the outer wall cannons un detected before a game and destroy the guns and keep destroying all the guns on that side of the wall than tell your team to stack there and you can't defend it.

Fix that blizzard.

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And when someone does that, someone on the other side should be flying around the keep making sure people aren't doing that.

Don't blame them because most people zone in at the last minute even when on defense and then just mindlessly zerg without ever bothering to think strategically.

I've heard of this apparent "glitch" being QQ'd about before and I agree with everyone who posted above and made it clear this is how WG was designed.
I don't know why you're so upset anyway, I don't pvp often and only go to WG with friends when I'm bored and many times when we defend with alliance "exploiting" (as you'd call it) we still win. So what's the big deal? Learn how to actually win and you'll be fine.

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This...

I know many times there's the insta-zerg of a dozen siege coming at the fort on defense... of course, the guns on the outer walls are all down thanks to the one rogue with 10 stacks of tenacity one-shotting everyone and killing the cannon... so they get to and through the outer wall and are met by a hail storm of RP-GGs. Break that initial zerg and it's anyone's ballgame... except for the fact that they maintain a few stacks of tenacity when it appears to be balanced numbers (this could be a perception issue, but I wonder if there's a game mechanic in place for this as well...)

Yeah, a bunch of RP-GGs do indeed to wonders.

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What you mean is "break that inital zerg and you win by numbers alone". They will quickly lose all thier workshops because they simply can't cover the landscape the way the non-tenacity side can due to sheer numbers. They will either:

1. build fewer and few tanks until all they cna make is 4 which will get rofl-stomped by RP-GGs.

2. keep the workshops but not have enough pople to make any kind of offense.

EIther way raw numbers > than any kind of arbitrary buff at this point... which is very frustrating on unbalanced servers.

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I know a lot of players already spread the word as I keep replying to these threads, but there are in-game mechanics to allow the "insta-tanks" scenario. That said, I recommend checking out the RPGs, use those things properly and you can wreck some vehicles.

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So...

logging out before a Wintergrasp battle ends, so you can retain your rank and get a vehicle instantly next round...

is "working as intended"?