First off we all understand why you implented this and how it will make healing easier and remedy the problems that you were responsible for causing yourself.
What I want to know is how you could have possibly screwed up so bad as to have put the game in a position to need a fix as clunky as this in the first place. Did you not forsee the impact of inflated gear lvls from ToC would have on ICC (incompetence) or did you full well know the impact and just decide to go ahead with it anyways (arrogance)
ICC was suppose to be the flagship raid for this expansion....the trailers...the box art...the storyline was all leading up to this moment....this is how you marketed this expansion pack. This was not a bonus raid or afterthought like sunwell was....this is suppose to be the focus of the expansion.....everything should have been checked and rechecked to make sure the gear would fit for the ICC. Now the flagship raid is spoiled by this gimmick debuff....you guys should be embarrassed.....some of you should resign.
From what I read you say the problem with avoidance was caused because of the unanticipated Tier introduced in Toc and HToC. At what point did you know that the inflated gear was going to screw up lvls in ICC. If you did know this then why was ToC even introduced....or why didnt you just keep it on the same tier as Uld? I suspect you fully knew the consequences for this and went ahead anyways.....you would rather keep your subscriber base increasing by enticing players with high lvl gear than suffer a temporary lull during the gap waiting for ICC.
The ToC raid has not been received well as it is.....1 environment....5 encounters that are a rehash of existing models......no one bought the expansion to play the ToC raid....we were waiting for ICC. This ToC raid that no one wanted or liked ended up screwing up the mechanics for ICC. You chose to release ToC to keep subscriptions up and/or inflated all the gear to keep casual players interested.
You chose more subscriptions over the integrity of your product. I can imgaine the boardroom meeting where the game designers lined up against the accountants....and the designers wiped against the accountant boss.
Besides the fact that you're liable to get banned for the hostile tone of your post ...
... Is it not humble to say "Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, but we will fix it via Chill of the Throne"?
It seems to be that knowing something is broken (avoidance) and forging through with it anyway (not implementing COTT) would be a hell of a lot more arrogant than seeing a problem and taking steps to rectify it.
Q u o t e: You must work for blizzard too......keep drinking the corporate Kool Aid
..and maybe try explaining your point...waht ever it was
Why is Blizzard implementing Chill of the Throne? Because they're humble enough to acknowledge that they scaled avoidance too high, and that they need to take steps to fix it.
Why is avoidance so high? Because they needed to create extra tiers of gear for hard modes.
Why were extra tiers of gear created for hard modes? Because Blizzard wants to reward people who do hard modes, because they're humble enough to know that people will not do hard modes for the sake of doing them.
Why was Trial of the Crusader created? Because Ulduar was already released late, and Blizzard is humble enough to know that they're not *that* good at content-creation that people are willing to wait upwards of a year for the release of Icecrown Citadel without some other raid in-between that and Ulduar.
At what point does arrogance ever enter the equation?
Why were extra tiers of gear created for hard modes? Because Blizzard wants to reward people who do hard modes, because they're humble enough to know that people will not do hard modes for the sake of doing them.
If this were true, no one would have done Sarth+3.
If this were true, no one would have done Sarth+3.
Sarth+3 rewarded an extra tier of gear relative to Sarth+0. And once you were already doing Sarth+2 for your 226 gear, might as well get your mount + title for doing +3.
Why is Blizzard implementing Chill of the Throne? Because they're humble enough to acknowledge that they scaled avoidance too high, and that they need to take steps to fix it.
Why is avoidance so high? Because they needed to create extra tiers of gear for hard modes.
Why were extra tiers of gear created for hard modes? Because Blizzard wants to reward people who do hard modes, because they're humble enough to know that people will not do hard modes for the sake of doing them.
Why was Trial of the Crusader created? Because Ulduar was already released late, and Blizzard is humble enough to know that they're not *that* good at content-creation that people are willing to wait upwards of a year for the release of Icecrown Citadel without some other raid in-between that and Ulduar.
At what point does arrogance ever enter the equation?
They didnt need to create an extra Tier...they chose to do that...and knew full well what the consequences would be to ICC by doing that. Uld was released in Apr......ICC will be prbly be out in Nov....not sure how that adds up to a 1 year wait. Id rather have waited for a perfect ICC than have ToC thrown together to keep ppl busy for a couple months and then have that raid screw up ICC. If they were set on ToC they could have just kept it on same Tier as Uld.....Uld10/ToC 10.....Uld25/ToC25......HMode Uld/ H ToC.
Are you going to tell me that you are satisfied with a band aid solution put on the ICC raid when all this could have been avoided with better planning?
If you dont want to call it arrogance then how would you describe this?
Sarth+3 rewarded an extra tier of gear relative to Sarth+0. And once you were already doing Sarth+2 for your 226 gear, might as well get your mount + title for doing +3.
It was quite a bit harder and took a while to learn for all but the most hardcore players.
If you need more examples, there are many achievements which don't reward any extra gear. The most hardcore of guilds spent much time on Yogg25+0, which doesn't reward any extra gear and is most definitely not a "might as well do it" situation. How do you explain that?
Q u o t e: .....everything should have been checked and rechecked to make sure the gear would fit for the ICC.
Ever heard of the PTR?
Besides, it could have been worse. They could have reintroduced the crushing blow mechanic. Or something similar. Constant incoming damage as opposed the "unhittable" warriors and pallies being the only viable tank for the raid? that seems to be the only reason to the avoidance debuff. It would kind of nerf the challenge of the raid to have unhittable tanks
The ToC raid has not been received well as it is.....1 environment....5 encounters that are a rehash of existing models......no one bought the expansion to play the ToC raid....we were waiting for ICC. This ToC raid that no one wanted or liked ended up screwing up the mechanics for ICC. You chose to release ToC to keep subscriptions up and/or inflated all the gear to keep casual players interested.
You chose more subscriptions over the integrity of your product. I can imgaine the boardroom meeting where the game designers lined up against the accountants....and the designers wiped against the accountant boss.
Sorry for posting again but last I checked Blizzard is a FOR PROFIT company. Maybe one day UNICEF will start making MMO's and then you will not have to pay for anything. Till then it is a cash cow and golden egg laying goose all in one.
Besides, it could have been worse. They could have reintroduced the crushing blow mechanic. Or something similar. Constant incoming damage as opposed the "unhittable" warriors and pallies being the only viable tank for the raid? that seems to be the only reason to the avoidance debuff. It would kind of nerf the challenge of the raid to have unhittable tanks
So because it could have been worse we should be happy about this....thats like buying a new car with a scratch in the paint and saying...well it could have been worse...there could have been a dent in the fender too.
This whole issue could have been avoided....Ghostcrawler already admitted this only became a problem becasue of the unanticipated Tier of gear from ToC and HToC. If that new gear was never inflated then the debuff would have been unecessarry.....and maybe if given enough time they could have come up with a better solution to the problem of increasing avoidance.
Q u o t e: Id rather have waited for a perfect ICC
How is lowering avoidance to the specifications that the devs want suddenly mar ICC?
You're telling us that if loot and raid progression had been perfectly laid out and followed from word-go, that we would not need Chill of the Throne now. I ask you, if a planned loot progression ended up giving us the same avoidance level as current+COTT, what is the difference?
the necessity of Radiance is the fault of people on the forums...Blizzard gave people what they wanted...but what the people wanted ended up ruining the game..
