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  • Malorne
  • 0. ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:09:21 AM PDT
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Anyone notice that - Based on Ghostcrawlers recent posts (after the datamined(im guessing?) PTR paladin nerfs) Hes really angry, .... It gave me the feeling that things that are datamined give the Dev's a headache from pre-crying over unspilt milk and such!

I was glad they later came out and said the listed nerfs werent likely going to make it live - Because sacred shield IS NOT OP!) :P But it gave me the feeling that Blizzard has to monitor those sites a bunch incase they need to do damage control!

But it got me thinking, .... Do you think websites like mmo-champion are appreciated or hated by blizzard? They do inform the community which in a way, makes the job of the dev's a bit easier, but at the same time, makes there job harder :P

What do you think?

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  • 1. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:11:18 AM PDT
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Sacred Shield destruction was official patch notes, not datamined. Also, the PTR stage is the stage you need to whine at otherwise retarded changes (such as the sacred shield nerf) might go live.
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  • 2. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:12:31 AM PDT
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If I had some guy recording the work I do all day and then getting people riled up about it at night so either they hate me or my surprises are spoiled, I'd probably punch him in the mouth and break his fingers so he couldn't talk or type. I would assume Blizzard employees feel the same as well at times.

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  • Malorne
  • 3. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:13:32 AM PDT
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from the look and sound of it, ... it looked like something they just threw together .. .kinda like on the chalkboard as discussion rather than actually test... idk though.

[ Post edited by Legwens ]

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  • Malorne
  • 4. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:35:01 AM PDT
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If I had some guy recording the work I do all day and then getting people riled up about it at night so either they hate me or my surprises are spoiled, I'd probably punch him in the mouth and break his fingers so he couldn't talk or type. I would assume Blizzard employees feel the same as well at times.


great point.
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  • Black Dragonflight
  • 5. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:38:02 AM PDT
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You're talking about balancing a game, not making a piece of art or music. It's good to keep the community informed, we're the people who play the game.

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  • Suramar
  • 6. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:47:33 AM PDT
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I seriously doubt GC gets mad about what people post. If they post something trollish he just bans then and goes on doing what he does.

The problem for Ghostcrawler is he posted so much on the beta forums and at the release of WOTLK that he gave the player base a false expectation that they could debate with him about the development of the game. He has realised that was a mistake and has been trying to make better selections in terms of the threads he actually post in.

Alot of people on the forums want to have a open debate with him about the Development of the game and he is just not going to have that conversation.

It's his job, and the job of the designers to develop the game, and it's our job to play the game that they develope. It's the job of this forum us to tell them how we feel about how they are doing developing the game, and what areas can be improved.

Some players take the above as if you make a suggestion they should instantly make a change, and that is just not how development works at any level in any business. If you write a letter to McDonalds and tells them you think they should change the Quarter Pounder. They will read the feedback doesn't mean they are going to change the sandwich.

My only beef with the devs is when there are glaring issues like disease dispeling and how it impacts Death Knights, or how certain mechanics are borderline breaking classes and they remain silent. I feel somethings do warrant a response.
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  • Malorne
  • 7. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:25:40 PM PDT
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I was thinking GC might get mad over things that mmochampion does more than the normal poster. 'cause like the other poster pointed out, can get people riled up!
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  • 8. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:27:07 PM PDT
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I was thinking GC might get mad over things that mmochampion does more than the normal poster. 'cause like the other poster pointed out, can get people riled up!


Only if the change is lacking in logic, this is a bad thread.

The Paladin class is the most challenging class to play, the boredom of leveling to level 50 autoattacking will defeat you faster than Arthas ever could.
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  • Cho'gall
  • 9. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:41:44 PM PDT
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I wish we could see more behind the scenes development, but a lot of childish subscribers ruined it for the rest of us when they threw mass nerd-raging tantrums on the forums and else where.
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  • 10. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:47:58 PM PDT
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I wish we could see more behind the scenes development, but a lot of childish subscribers ruined it for the rest of us when they threw mass nerd-raging tantrums on the forums and else where.


Well, you can't really blame them when their logic on nerf SS was based on Ret feeling too "tanky" in BGs. Tanky against bad players, yes, against good players? no.

The Paladin class is the most challenging class to play, the boredom of leveling to level 50 autoattacking will defeat you faster than Arthas ever could.
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  • Lightning's Blade
  • 11. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:49:42 PM PDT
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i think that your bubble isnt going to protect you mr.paladin...
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  • Darrowmere
  • 12. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:52:46 PM PDT
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i think that your bubble isnt going to protect you mr.paladin...


They need to do something with that bubble, most abused feature in the game today.
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  • Cho'gall
  • 13. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:53:18 PM PDT
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They need to do something with that bubble, most abused feature in the game today.


I'd rather put my money on AMS.
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  • 14. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:55:37 PM PDT
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Are you referring to his banter to those who he banned? Because he didn't ban them for posting about the changes.

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  • Rexxar
  • 15. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:57:54 PM PDT
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Are you referring to his banter to those who he banned? Because he didn't ban them for posting about the changes.


This.

Notice how random sacred shield nerf post number 63 wasn't lock/deleted or anything, but 'DIAF GC' was?

If you don't care to express your points in a civil manner, don't express them at all.

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  • Sargeras
  • 16. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 01:59:39 PM PDT
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from the look and sound of it, ... it looked like something they just threw together .. .kinda like on the chalkboard as discussion rather than actually test... idk though.


like most paladin changes.
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  • 17. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 02:02:41 PM PDT
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I don't think they're angry enough. But seriously, if I was in their shoes I'd be flipping over desks and tossing computer monitors out the 2nd story windows. Imagine having GC's job then having to come on these forums and read all the garbage that people spew at him. Poor bugger.

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  • 18. Re: ANGRY Ghostcrawler !!!   10/28/2009 02:14:34 PM PDT
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I seriously doubt GC gets mad about what people post. If they post something trollish he just bans then and goes on doing what he does.

The problem for Ghostcrawler is he posted so much on the beta forums and at the release of WOTLK that he gave the player base a false expectation that they could debate with him about the development of the game. He has realised that was a mistake and has been trying to make better selections in terms of the threads he actually post in.

Alot of people on the forums want to have a open debate with him about the Development of the game and he is just not going to have that conversation.

It's his job, and the job of the designers to develop the game, and it's our job to play the game that they develope. It's the job of this forum us to tell them how we feel about how they are doing developing the game, and what areas can be improved.

Some players take the above as if you make a suggestion they should instantly make a change, and that is just not how development works at any level in any business. If you write a letter to McDonalds and tells them you think they should change the Quarter Pounder. They will read the feedback doesn't mean they are going to change the sandwich.

My only beef with the devs is when there are glaring issues like disease dispeling and how it impacts Death Knights, or how certain mechanics are borderline breaking classes and they remain silent. I feel somethings do warrant a response.


/ cast Tranq shot!

Seriously, forum posters don't make me angry. At most you are seeing sarcastic, eye-rolling or world-weary responses. Most of the time I am just responding quickly because any demonstration that we read the forums at all seem to go a long a way and I don't always have the time to author a well-crafted novella.

I have no problem having an open debate on design with the community. I enjoy it. Where the problem comes is that I am one guy, and I just don't have the bandwidth for an open discussion on every single class issue nor even the important issues that you might feel are "borderline breaking classes." I try to jump in and touch on *some* issues because that's the best I can do, but players sometimes try to interpret that as a stacked rank of what we feel are the most important issues.

It's like weeding a garden. You can rarely ever get every weed out, especially if you only have an hour. You can try and triage the weeds and pull out the worst ones first, but the triage process itself takes time and you end up making a lot of judgment calls trying to compare apples and oranges. Really you can accomplish something if you just pay a little bit of attention to it every day. That's what I try to do.

And I'm not calling you guys weeds. :) WoW is a complicated ecosystem not unlike a garden and it certainly has some problems that need to be plucked out at the roots. Sadly, the list of things we think we can improve in WoW is long and I promise you that we are harsher on our designs than are most of you.

And I totally agree that many players have trouble distinguishing between feedback and demands.

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